Good, extend it to any public space and include vaping. Nothing worse than being assaulted by a cloud of second hand smoke or vape walking down the street or coming out of a building
Starmer could just reduce the supply of cigarettes / put the price up - are they priced proportionately with the NHS cost from alcohol;
more raving about wegovy today without discussion of the long term dependency cost for NHS.
You’re never going to win when you try to take away the freedoms people have enjoyed for years.They did this in Australia, fags cost about £25 a pack now and it’s created a huge black market with associated gang violence. Pretty crazy really, you can’t win.
You’re never going to win when you try to take away the freedoms people have enjoyed for years.
Why can’t they just have smoking and non smoking areas in a beer garden, why does everything have to cater for one group of people over another?
It's all just about control, nothing to do with health. "They" are slowly stripping us of everything and we're just allowing it.
In the past, people had the freedom to beat their apprentices. Was that a good idea?
Yes. Honestly, try it.
Sorry, but that just reads like a sensationalist, exaggerated and ridiculous ramblei) The toxins are airborne. The idea that an arbitrary line in the air will stop them is nonsense.
ii) Employees will be forced to work in the contaminated area.
iii) Employees will be forced to clean up the toxic waste left in the contaminated area.
Appropriate COSHH rules will not be followed. The employees will not even be given adequate PPE. The employees probably won't be given any PPE at all. Some of those employees will die horrible deaths because of catering to people who choose to take a drug in the way that does the most harm to other people.
When a "group" is defined by their actions, it's OK to cater to one group of people over another. For example, we cater for people who don't burgle houses over people who do burgle houses. We should also cater for people who don't knowingly and deliberate choose a drug delivery method that harms others over people who do knowingly and deliberately choose a drug delivery method that harms others.
In the past, people had the freedom to beat their apprentices. Was that a good idea? Was taking away that freedom (some) people had enjoyed for years such a bad thing? It's less harmful than smoking. It wasn't legal to beat an apprentice to death.
I think that the extreme legal exemptions and protections given to smoking should be removed and smoking treated as what it is - assault with a chemical weapon in which some of the victims will die. Jail is the right place for people who choose to do that, choose to do it repeatedly and with full knowledge of the harm they're doing.
There are other ways to take the same drug, ways that don't involve harming other people. People who choose to smoke are simply choosing to harm other people, without even the flimsy excuse of drug addiction.
Years ago, a person or people smashed their way into my home and stole some of my stuff. Maybe they were drug addicts. If so, does their drug addiction excuse their actions in your mind? Should they enjoy the freedom to break into my home and steal my stuff? If not, why not?
I have far more sympathy for them than I do for smokers. The person or people who broke into my home and stole some of my stuff didn't deliberately harm me. There is no possibility that I will die because of them. So they are much less malicious (or sociopathic) than smokers and do much less harm than smokers.
Sorry, but that just reads like a sensationalist, exaggerated and ridiculous ramble
In a rare case I agree with Angilion.You’re never going to win when you try to take away the freedoms people have enjoyed for years.
Why can’t they just have smoking and non smoking areas in a beer garden, why does everything have to cater for one group of people over another?
It’s too ridiculous to even bother arguing with. Once you start going off on one about assault with a chemical weapon and burgling drug addicts, the shark was well and truly jumped.Thank you for so promptly acknowledging that you have no counter-argument.
What an absolute load of drivel.i) The toxins are airborne. The idea that an arbitrary line in the air will stop them is nonsense.
ii) Employees will be forced to work in the contaminated area.
iii) Employees will be forced to clean up the toxic waste left in the contaminated area.
It’s too ridiculous to even bother arguing with. Once you start going off on one about assault with a chemical weapon and burgling drug addicts, the shark was well and truly jumped.
What an absolute load of drivel.
My good god, did you even read that before posting it?
I kinda get what you're saying, but to word it like you have is just utterly laughable and completely ridiculous.
It's not drivel though.What an absolute load of drivel.
My good god, did you even read that before posting it?
I kinda get what you're saying, but to word it like you have is just utterly laughable and completely ridiculous.
Then they should either ban it or shut up about it.Care to try to support your assertion? Given the fact that we're talking about deliberately choosing to take a drug in a way that causes the most possible harm to other people and generates a large amount of toxic waste. When there are several ways to take the same drug that are harmless to other people.
It was the way the argument was presented and words used that imo are (as previously said) sensationalist, and frankly way way OTT, and daft.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but no one is saying that smoking is good for you or others around you, and after 30+ years of 20 odd a day, trust me I know the harm it does.
Maybe it's just me, but making a valid point needn't come accross as such fire and brimstone, there are better ways to do it.
It could be argued that some have had enough of that over the last few years.