Government to consider banning smoking in pub gardens etc..

Angilion said:
Care to try to support your assertion? Given the fact that we're talking about deliberately choosing to take a drug in a way that causes the most possible harm to other people and generates a large amount of toxic waste. When there are several ways to take the same drug that are harmless to other people.
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I can't own an automatic rifle.
 
Klunt Bumskrint said:
Then they should either ban it or shut up about it.
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That is in no way an argument in support of your assertion that all attempts to restrict the harm done have nothing to do with health and are entirely about control.

Banning it isn't politically viable. Shutting up about it would be reprehensible and probably isn't politically viable either.
 
I just think the "Government" should leave people alone. I agreed with the smoking ban in pubs if not just for the sake of the staff but dictating what people do outside is just wrong. All this kind of thing is just a slippery slope into New North Korea. Same with censorship and cancelling. Do some research at the amount of "control" that the government has been trying to increase over the last 20 years ....Cough..remember the ol chinese cough and snif
 
Some people just won't be happy until we're as miserable and as soulless as they are (that wasn't a dig at anyone on here btw).
If they can't have any sort of enjoyment, then nobody can.
With all that's happened over the last few years, I'd say just leave us the **** alone and let us find enjoyment where we can find it.
Life is too short to have every aspect of our lives watched over and controlled by control freaks and drama queens.
 
If you live, work or drink within 100 feet of a busy city road you are inhaling more toxin than sitting near to a couple enjoying a five minute smoke.

If out in the countryside in a balmy pub garden in the evening and over the hedge or in the field beyond that a farmer is spraying the oil seed rape or the wheat or the barley, you will inhale more toxins than sitting near to a couple having a five minute smoke.

And if your designated driver has a convertible or enjoys the breeze through an open window as you all wend your way home through the fume and particulate of a town street you will inhale more toxin than if sat nearby a couple enjoying an evening smoke.
 
JonRGV250 said:
Some people just won't be happy until we're as miserable and as soulless as they are (that wasn't a dig at anyone on here btw).
If they can't have any sort of enjoyment, then nobody can.
With all that's happened over the last few years, I'd say just leave us the **** alone and let us find enjoyment where we can find it.
Life is too short to have every aspect of our lives watched over and controlled by control freaks and drama queens.
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That's going to happen whether you want it to or not.

Every single political party we have bows down and suckles on the corporate teet who will never be sated with only some information, until people stop being so self-interested and hateful or envious of others everyone will lose.
 
JonRGV250 said:
Some people just won't be happy until we're as miserable and as soulless as they are (that wasn't a dig at anyone on here btw).
If they can't have any sort of enjoyment, then nobody can.
With all that's happened over the last few years, I'd say just leave us the **** alone and let us find enjoyment where we can find it.
Life is too short to have every aspect of our lives watched over and controlled by control freaks and drama queens.
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I'm not objecting to people using drugs for their own enjoyment.

I am objecting to people choosing a drug delivery method that's inherently harmful to other people (especially when there are other drug delivery methods available) and demanding that they be allowed to harm other people without any consequences.

That's not the same as being miserable and soulless. That shouldn't need to be pointed out.
 
Angilion said:
I am objecting to people choosing a drug delivery method that's inherently harmful to other people (especially when there are other drug delivery methods available) and demanding that they be allowed to harm other people without any consequences.
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There's no credible reason to believe that someone smoking in a beer garden is harming other people. Particularly when considered in comparison to other pollutants like those produced by cars.

The argument works for smoking indoors, but not for smoking outdoors.
 
Indeed.
There was a similar situation where I used to work where one employee kept getting a whiff of cig smoke from the smoking area about 10 meters away from the workshop.
He went to the management making out his health was being affected and was concerned about (insert nonsense claims).
He was also a tech who didn't use an exhaust extractor fan whilst the rest of us did, so it was clear he was just moaning for the sake of it (he was a cyclist).
Amazingly the company who were health and saftey mad (they tried to stop us drinking tea/coffee in the workshop incase some chemicals etc got in our drinks) completely ignored his claims and did nothing at all about it.
Fwiw, the company soon dropped the rule of no cups in the workshop when we all downed tools if we couldn't stay hydrated when working (it's incredible what'll happen when a companies profit is threatened).
 
JonRGV250 said:
Indeed.
There was a similar situation where I used to work where one employee kept getting a whiff of cig smoke from the smoking area about 10 meters away from the workshop.
He went to the management making out his health was being affected and was concerned about (insert nonsense claims).
He was also a tech who didn't use an exhaust extractor fan whilst the rest of us did, so it was clear he was just moaning for the sake of it (he was a cyclist).
Amazingly the company who were health and saftey mad (they tried to stop us drinking tea/coffee in the workshop incase some chemicals etc got in our drinks) completely ignored his claims and did nothing at all about it.
Fwiw, the company soon dropped the rule of no cups in the workshop when we all downed tools if we couldn't stay hydrated when working (it's incredible what'll happen when a companies profit is threatened).
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Whats your problem with cyclists?
 
JonRGV250 said:
Indeed.
There was a similar situation where I used to work where one employee kept getting a whiff of cig smoke from the smoking area about 10 meters away from the workshop.
He went to the management making out his health was being affected and was concerned about (insert nonsense claims).
He was also a tech who didn't use an exhaust extractor fan whilst the rest of us did, so it was clear he was just moaning for the sake of it (he was a cyclist).
Amazingly the company who were health and saftey mad (they tried to stop us drinking tea/coffee in the workshop incase some chemicals etc got in our drinks) completely ignored his claims and did nothing at all about it.
Fwiw, the company soon dropped the rule of no cups in the workshop when we all downed tools if we couldn't stay hydrated when working (it's incredible what'll happen when a companies profit is threatened).
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My first job was a bit like this. Stopped people eating in the office. So then when lunch came around we all abandoned the office and left it unattended, no phones got answered etc. That soon changed.
 
The issue is people are NOT considerate,

If a smoker is sitting on an outside table, and there are people around you eating, then is it not considerate to not smoke at that particular time? just wait until people have finished eating, or move away if you MUST smoke right at that moment..

I'm not having a go at smokers, it can be ANY inconsiderate action, like letting your kids scream blue murder.. or letting them play on their phones at full volume, in a public place around others.. it's called being considerate..

However until people are more considerate, then unfortunately you will get people that support all sorts of bans.. which personally I feel shouldn't be needed..

BTW the not considerate is not aimed at anyone here, i'm sure everyone here is very considerate.. (judging by the replies anyway!)
 
Hagar said:
If you live, work or drink within 100 feet of a busy city road you are inhaling more toxin than sitting near to a couple enjoying a five minute smoke.

If out in the countryside in a balmy pub garden in the evening and over the hedge or in the field beyond that a farmer is spraying the oil seed rape or the wheat or the barley, you will inhale more toxins than sitting near to a couple having a five minute smoke.

And if your designated driver has a convertible or enjoys the breeze through an open window as you all wend your way home through the fume and particulate of a town street you will inhale more toxin than if sat nearby a couple enjoying an evening smoke.
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Imagine if we were doing things to improve these scenarios.
Like, oh I don't know, attempting to transition to a cleaner transport network and banning the stuff farmers historically sprayed around that were detrimental to health.

Funny I am reminded of my first job. The "office" workers places of work were deemed non smoking.
But the factory offices were deemed ok to smoke in. When I used to twice a week drop off the manufacturing data reporting I had produced to one of the senior factory managers, if he was holding his morning meeting I would hardly be able to see from one side of the room to the other!

Stuff changes, it always changes. When I go to France I am reminded how low smoking now is in the UK.
 
SimonRigga said:
The issue is people are NOT considerate,

If a smoker is sitting on an outside table, and there are people around you eating, then is it not considerate to not smoke at that particular time? just wait until people have finished eating, or move away if you MUST smoke right at that moment..

I'm not having a go at smokers, it can be ANY inconsiderate action, like letting your kids scream blue murder.. or letting them play on their phones at full volume, in a public place around others.. it's called being considerate..

However until people are more considerate, then unfortunately you will get people that support all sorts of bans.. which personally I feel shouldn't be needed..

BTW the not considerate is not aimed at anyone here, i'm sure everyone here is very considerate.. (judging by the replies anyway!)
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I don't smoke never have. But turning it around we have forced smokers to smoke outside and now you want them to stop because you've chosen to eat outside.
 
PlacidCasual said:
I don't smoke never have. But turning it around we have forced smokers to smoke outside and now you want them to stop because you've chosen to eat outside.
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I never said anything about stopping.. as far as I can read my own post anyway..

I have no problem with smokers in gardens.. and if it bothers me then I can move no problem.. but if i've ordered food and it arrives.. then someone lights up near me.. I think it's a little inconsiderate.. it doesn't take much to have a look around and either not do it.. or even just ask if someone minds if they're eating..

Why are people so opposed to thinking of others.. or even asking others if they are in the vicinity.. the "why should I not do what I want brigade" I guess..

edit: apols if my post is not divisive enough so that people can stay enraged on either side of the argument..
 
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