Greenlizard0 PL & Championship Football Thread ** spoilers ** [30th Apr - 2nd May 2021]

adam cool dude said:
Not if it was for the right cause I wouldn't. If they were in an ownership situation the same as ours. At least their owner has put money into the club.
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Ah ok, slashing officers, storming grounds, scaring staff, damaging property and forcing games to stop are ok because it was for the right cause. Got it. People aren't allowed to be annoyed that games are moved around because of this... because... you know..... the cause.
 
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Match should have been forfeited but like I said yesterday there's too much money involved in the match going ahead. I don't think it's fair to ask the Liverpool players to travel there again.
 
Stumble Bum said:
Ah ok, slashing officers, storming grounds, scaring staff, damaging property and forcing games to stop are ok because it was for the right cause. Got it. People aren't allowed to be annoyed that games are moved around because of this... because... you know..... the cause.
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Okay you are always going to have a small minority in any protest who are simply there for trouble but the vast majority were not.
 
mmj_uk said:
Match should have been forfeited but like I said yesterday there's too much money involved in the match going ahead. I don't think it's fair to ask the Liverpool players to travel there again.
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Maybe united should forfeit the ‘home’ option and be played either at Anfield or neutral (Everton). As I said earlier, the fine and or point deduction has to be harsh to stop fans using this when there is fixture congestion to force a game to be rearranged. There will always be a group of hardcore fans who would do this without hesitation even if it risks bans/arrest to ‘help’ their team. Have to ensure that there is no benefit for the team so that it doesn’t happen again.
 
JordanPickford said:
Not sure why you're trolling here tbh. Your fans were a disgrace.
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It's not trolling you are just totally fanboy blind to anything that isn't Liverpool. Whilst I will agree the violence was bang out of order and the people responsible for that should be held accountable the vast majority were not. There is no denying that football ownership is just wrong at the top in so many clubs and something needs to change.
 
Two weeks ago, almost all of football was united in their condemnation of the ESL and the greedy owners trying to force it into being.

All it takes is an opportunity to score points against a rival club for some people to abandon that and go back to tribal rivalries being more important.
 
adam cool dude said:
Okay you are always going to have a small minority in any protest who are simply there for trouble but the vast majority were not.
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Load of rubbish. There were hugeeee numbers causing issues, this wasn't just a small minority.

Tell me why Chelsea were able to protest peacefully last week???

Regardless, it does not change the fact that anyone impacted by this rescheduled game has every right to be annoyed, and so should they, it's pretty embarrassing you fail to comprehend that.
 
adam cool dude said:
It's not trolling you are just totally fanboy blind to anything that isn't Liverpool. Whilst I will agree the violence was bang out of order and the people responsible for that should be held accountable the vast majority were not. There is no denying that football ownership is just wrong at the top in so many clubs and something needs to change.
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It's absolutely trolling and adds nothing but that's standard tbh.

Your fans behaviour was disgusting inside and outside of the stadium. Simple as that.
 
bazzabear said:
Two weeks ago, almost all of football was united in their condemnation of the ESL and the greedy owners trying to force it into being.

All it takes is an opportunity to score points against a rival club for some people to abandon that and go back to tribal rivalries being more important.
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Its not point scoring though is it. I'm all for protests just not the idea that you can break into a stadium, assault police officers and steal equipment. Why should Liverpool suffer for their actions? They shouldn't. If you can't play the game today then it should be forfeited.
 
bazzabear said:
Two weeks ago, almost all of football was united in their condemnation of the ESL and the greedy owners trying to force it into being.

All it takes is an opportunity to score points against a rival club for some people to abandon that and go back to tribal rivalries being more important.
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It was always going to happen, all that 'stand together and take football back' is forgotten in a heartbeat when it comes to petty rival fans trying to point score. It speaks volumes that some people in here never post about football, just come in to have an argument.
 
bazzabear said:
Two weeks ago, almost all of football was united in their condemnation of the ESL and the greedy owners trying to force it into being.

All it takes is an opportunity to score points against a rival club for some people to abandon that and go back to tribal rivalries being more important.
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I think you're being very generous in pinning yesterdays events on the ESL. That was nothing more than a tipping point and or excuse for what we saw. Souness said a lot of rubbish yesterday but one thing he said was spot on, if Utd were performing better on the pitch then yesterdays events wouldn't have happened. Utd fans have grown frustrated with their owners because the team has been pretty useless for years. Other than a small minority, nobody cared about the Glazers when Utd were winning. The champagne socialist Gary Neville certainly didn't, not while he was picking up his £100k per week from them.

The issues yesterday were a specific Utd/Glazers issue, not a wider ESL issue and just like 15 years ago, only a small minority of supporters protesting really give a **** about the Glazers ownership. Spend £100m on Sancho in the summer and the rest won't care again, not until the team finish 3rd and they'll want another £100m spent on Haaland.
 
"more people care about the owners when things are going bad"

No **** Sherlock, protests have happened fairly consistently over their entire reign at the club. There is obviously going to be more interest at certain points though. We're seeing more protests now when the club is on an upward trajectory so it clearly isn't just the performance on the pitch that is dictating it. ESL is a pretty major part of it despite what you think. Check out the letters to Joel Glazer from MUST, it's a key part of the issues raised.
 
It is pretty much a choice between bad and BAD. There is no doubt for example that Chelsea and Man Cities owners are bad but they are investing money into the club and local area as some sort of retribution for their past. Same with Roman. Chelsea's success is at the forefront of his venture.

The Glazers are just a different kind of bad. What they are doing is pure parasitic and will toss it away when it stops them making money. To be honest it wouldn't bother me if they took money out of the club but paid back the debt first. Even not spending money on players.
 
Shamikebab said:
"more people care about the owners when things are going bad"

No **** Sherlock, protests have happened fairly consistently over their entire reign at the club. There is obviously going to be more interest at certain points though. We're seeing more protests now when the club is on an upward trajectory so it clearly isn't just the performance on the pitch that is dictating it. ESL is a pretty major part of it despite what you think. Check out the letters to Joel Glazer from MUST, it's a key part of the issues raised.
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I don't need to check out any letters. A small minority of Utd supporters, including those leading MUSt, genuinely care about taking back the club, those were the ones that have protested against the owners for the past 15 years. The majority of Utd supporters both in general and who were at the protest yesterday don't give a **** about "taking football back", they only care about the team winning - the Glazers could be raping the club for 100s of millions each year but if Utd are doing well they'll not say a word. You can't dispute that point because we saw if for the first x years after the takeover.

A large percentage of the supporters protesting yesterday would die of excitement if Utd were taken over by the Saudi's tomorrow. They don't care about taking football back, they don't care about how much money the Glazers are taking out of the club or if Utd were used to gloss over journalists being butchered. They only care about Utd spending more and more money on transfers and it's this mentality that's a huge part of the problem we now have in football. I commented on it yesterday, Sky & Neville took 15 minutes out of their greed, greed, greed rant to discuss how many hundreds of millions Utd need to spend on a CB, winger, CF, Grealish etc etc.
 
You have to also realise that the number of fans that are aware of the financial issues behind the Glazers is probably very small. Most people last summer protesting BLM probably hadn't been activists for racial rights prior to that, it doesn't make them protesting any less impactful or their cause any less important. A large part of protesting is about increasing awareness from a small passionate core. I bet you a whole lot more fans know about what the Glazers have done now than they did a week ago.
 
Shamikebab said:
You have to also realise that the number of fans that are aware of the financial issues behind the Glazers is probably very small. Most people last summer protesting BLM probably hadn't been activists for racial rights prior to that, it doesn't make them protesting any less impactful or their cause any less important. A large part of protesting is about increasing awareness from a small passionate core. I bet you a whole lot more fans know about what the Glazers have done now than they did a week ago.
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If Utd supporters weren't aware of the financial details behind the Glazers ownership of Utd then they must have been living in a bunker for the past 15 years. As you say, there have been protests against the owners on and off throughout that time and constant press coverage of it. Heck, 10 years ago I was spelling it out to Utd supporters on here and I can remember being left exasperated by the fact that I seemed to care more about Utd's ownership than several Utd supporters on here. They did know, they just didn't care and still don't care.

Look at the tweet I posted, that's nothing to do with taking football back or campaigning against the ESL. All that supporter wants is an owner that will spend more money because Utd spending more than anybody in the League for the past 10 years isn't enough for him. And to be clear, this is not specific to Utd - I said the same things in the Newcastle takeover thread. A huge percentage of Newcastle supporters don't care about taking football back or the fact that their club was going to be used to cover up human rights abuses, they just wanted to spend more money.

I have no interest in attacking Utd supporters because of the actions of a small number of idiots that caused trouble yesterday but this idea that the protesters were there for the good of football is complete and utter *******s. Other than a small minority, who do care about forcing proper change, the rest were there for the benefit of themselves. The ESL was just an excuse for them to go out and protest and the fact that we've been in lockdown (on and off ) for 12 months fueled the fire in them.
 
Shamikebab said:
So presumably if you think the vast majority of fans only care about spending then you must also think that the vast majority were in favour of the ESL then?
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No and I'm not sure how you've decided the two go hand in hand :confused:

I've said several times over the past 12 months that too many football supporters want to have their cake and eat it. They constantly complain that their club isn't spending enough on transfers then get offended when their club puts the price of a ticket up, makes their mascot redundant to cut costs or tries to join a ESL. These supporters are feeding the monster that football has become.

A large percentage of football supporters are part of the problem football now faces and until those supporters change their mentality and their priorities then nothing will change.
 
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