Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [11th - 14th August 2023]

I thought Cunha was rather good for Wolves can't say I noticed him much last season, then again didn't watch much of Wolves games.

Shocking how he was able to run straight down the middle though!!
 
Sky6 getting favourable calls “shock”

Like in all honesty if the VAR ref is in two minds. “Hey could you please go have a look on the monitor I’m unsure”

Can remember two instances last season were the ref stuck with his on field decision.
 
Bigpig said:
Sky6 getting favourable calls “shock”

Like in all honesty if the VAR ref is in two minds. “Hey could you please go have a look on the monitor I’m unsure”

Can remember two instances last season were the ref stuck with his on field decision.
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Which tells you all you need to know. When they say "I think you should have a look at the monitor" the expectation is that they are making a particular decision. Everyone knows that and if there is a question over whether the referee made the right call on the pitch and they tell him to look at the monitor they are saying "we think you are wrong".
 
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At the end of the season they should tally up where teams would have finished points wise in cases like this and the pgmol should be forced to pay the clubs the difference in prize money - if clubs would have gotten european football or stayed up that cash value should also come out of their pockets - you'd soon seen these sorts of decisions right themselves.
 
How many serious errors does that VAR guy need to make before getting the sack?

If I was that incompetent in my role I’d certainly be on the edge.
 
I didn't watch the game (glad I didn't by all accounts), but caught the highlights on YouTube (all Wolves), and that was a nailed on 100% penalty.

Rant mode engaged:

The refs have one job and monumentally screw up far too much in this 'elite' league. Maybe some of these millions sloshing around should be put into training officials as it's damaging the integrity. I understand mistakes happen, and the human aspect contributes, but the SAME mistakes keep happening and the consistency appears to be in the mistakes rather than the good calls. The rules of the game are atrocious and always have been, with interpretations all over the place, changing from season to season (what the **** is a handball nowadays, hitting the hand? arm? leg/arm combo? natural/unatural? intentional? distance? FFS!!!!!!1111), maybe it needs to be stripped back and looked at in a more 'technical' way so that AI can just do it instead of blithering idiots that even on a second viewing can't get something a 5 year old can see.

Only benefit I see in the current situation continuing is if you're a pundit you have infinite things to go on about.

(I'm a Man Utd fan btw)
 
C Kent said:
At the end of the season they should tally up where teams would have finished points wise in cases like this and the pgmol should be forced to pay the clubs the difference in prize money - if clubs would have gotten european football or stayed up that cash value should also come out of their pockets - you'd soon seen these sorts of decisions right themselves.
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No you wouldn't because that not how these things work. Would Wolves have scored the penalty? Would United have pushed out and scored another goal afterwards?

All of the game changing decisions are still purely hypotheticals. You can guess but that is it.

When would you like to apply this rule as well. Only when there is enough outcry? Only when PGMOL apologise? United had plenty of awful decisions against us last season that didn't get an apology from PGMOL like every other team.

There is no way to deal with these issues other than trying to make sure they don't happen again.
 
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It's rare goalkeepers get punished for that sort of thing, and although it's 'obviously' a penalty, even Jamie Carragher said after the match he thought it wasn't, so opinions differ.

It's football, and the PGMOL actually admitting mistakes is much better than nothing from them.

You are never going to get a perfect system, and you are never going to get even the same ref to make the exact same decision, even with simliar incidents, as they may have had a different perspective of the incident each time.

Hopefully in time we will get some ex players involved, that can flag up, 'that looks a wrong decision', for the VAR to then ask the ref to the pitch monitor.. dunno.. obv we don't want to slow the game down any more than it is..

Also in time hopefully we will get to hear the thoughts on an incident in near real time.. may make us understand a bit more..

I'm a Wolves fan btw.. and obviously annoyed we didn't get it..
 
fez said:
When would you like to apply this rule as well. Only when there is enough outcry? Only when PGMOL apologise?

There is no way to deal with these issues other than trying to make sure they don't happen again.
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When the pgmol come out after a game and admit it's an incorrect decision and then 'suspend' the officials from the next game. By doing so they are admitting there is nothing subjective about incident, which is vast majority of var calls.
 
The issue is simply that, VAR or no VAR, many decisions are subjective. Football is a contact sport so things like intent and force have to be taken into consideration and these can't always be measured.

Things like offside are much clearer, and the goal line tech.

I don't see it ever being resolved.
 
C Kent said:
When the pgmol come out after a game and admit it's an incorrect decision and then 'suspend' the officials from the next game. By doing so they are admitting there is nothing subjective about incident, which is vast majority of var calls.
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There are loads of decisions that are stone wall that are completely ignore by PGMOL. Then you will just have the situation where teams are complaining that PGMOL are being unfair on the decisions they apologise for. Just shifts the whinge somewhere else. Doesn't fix it.

There will be a dozen occasions, probably far far more than that where a goalkeeper will clatter a player going for the ball this season and a penalty won't be given. The only reason this is getting so much attention is because its United so every many and his dog is frothing about it and because he was so clearly late.

As others have said, keepers get a strange level of protection to come for the ball, miss it and clatter players. He didn't take out the guy who headed the ball, he took out someone else. It was just comically bad. Those are never given. Will we suddenly see keepers getting cards and giving away penalties whenever they come for the ball, miss and take out a player? Of course we won't.

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At minimum they need to remove that Yellow Card given to Gary O'Neil now they admitted they were wrong, not a consolation but at least it's something.
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Why? The idea of the yellows is to stop the abuse of referees and officials. Its not to allow them to abuse officials when they make a mistake.
 
Yes I know 2 wrongs don't make a right. However in this instance O'Neil's yellow card came from him swearing at the 4th official "That's a Fing pen etc". He was right to feel the injustice since he was proven correct for the penalty. If they gave the penalty then he wouldn't have got the yellow card. And they have admitted that it should be a penalty...hence it wouldn't have been a yellow card.

Yes, I know 2 wrongs don't make a right.

And of course they won't rescind the yellow card, they can only offer words of kindness and if Wolves are relegated by 1 pt at the end of the season, they can send flowers? They make the rules, they can enforce it and they can amend it.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
Yes I know 2 wrongs don't make a right. However in this instance O'Neil's yellow card came from him swearing at the 4th official "That's a Fing pen etc". He was right to feel the injustice since he was proven correct for the penalty. If they gave the penalty then he wouldn't have got the yellow card. And they have admitted that it should be a penalty...hence it wouldn't have been a yellow card.

Yes, I know 2 wrongs don't make a right.
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No, that still doesn't excuse it. You are essentially saying that when a referee gets a decision wrong then any abuse match officials get should be allowed.

What about players waving a yellow at the ref when a tackle should have been a yellow and it wasn't given.

Being right doesn't give you the excuse. They are trying to stop the abuse towards officials. Full stop.
 
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