Its's unbelievable how he keeps getting away with it. At the Emirates last year he was just running round fouling with pretty much every attempted challenge and no yellow.I've just seen a tweet detailing Joelinton committing 5 fouls (+2 incorrectly not awarded or signalled) in the space of 9 minutes without a booking
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Even if he did. And that's debateable, though it seems to be the majority opinion, it was a bad red card. If the ref had given a yellow, there wouldn't have been anywhere near the debate about how it should have been a red as there is about it being given as one.
It's the kind of red that no-one wants to see given against their team and only people with vested interests in it being given argue that it should be. I can understand the POV that if the ref gives a foul and believes it's dogso then he will give a red, but again, he should ONLY be doing that if he's 100% convinced it's a foul and 100% convinced it's a a denial of a clear goal scoring chance. Even then, it's not the kind of red punters want to see unless it's for a team yours are playing. That there's any debate over it at all makes it a bad decision.
Worrall's red was terrible vs Man Utd too.
I've just seen a tweet detailing Joelinton committing 5 fouls (+2 incorrectly not awarded or signalled) in the space of 9 minutes without a booking
the ref called him over and did the pointing totting up thing and told him "one more"... He then promptly fouled someone and the ref did nothing.
Was a particularly poor refereeing performance. Again. Reffing has got worse under Webb.
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Caporegime
It’s an easy red all day long. It was clear as day he went through him to get the ball and Isaak was rolling VVD and would 100% have been through on goal. I have no idea how anyone can argue against either point.
The one in the United game was very questionable I agree though.
It's an easy red if you want it to be and that's how you see it. The ref could have easily given a yellow and less would have been said about it.
As was all agreed by those on ref watch, it's not a red anyone wants to see and is a good example of a flaw in the dogso law, which is really intended to penalise defenders making desperate challenges in an attempt to stop a certain goal scoring chance.
It's not fit nor intended to be applied to genuine attempts to win the ball, which result in marginal fouls whilst the goal scoring opportunity is far from certain or even likely to result in a goal. Dermot Gallager's response was "at least it's better than it used to be" referring to yellows only being mandated when similar fouls are given in the box.
As such the ref should really apply higher standards other than Isak might have scored if he had got the ball under control, and managed to shoot on target. It's all ifs and buts.
I think the ref would have given a yellow, if he hadn't have gone mental giving Trent a yellow for throwing a ball back onto the pitch, then not booked him for a nailed on yellow a couple of minutes later. He spent most of the game trying to undo the damage he was doing with his ineptitude, digging a bigger and bigger hole in it. Not booking Joelinton was also farcical after giving him the "one more foul" speech, then letting him get away with another 2 minutes later and a couple more after that he just didn't bother giving as fouls.
Was the worst refereeing performance I've seen in a while, which is saying something.
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Forest now launching a complaint against the officials, red cards being overturned. The Mike Dean corruption and the numerous VAR criticisms already only 3 games into the season. Yellow cards being given out like candy.
This has to be the worst state we've sene officiating that i can remember and the bar was very low already. Alongside money it's killing the game for me.
This has to be the worst state we've sene officiating that i can remember and the bar was very low already. Alongside money it's killing the game for me.
Caporegime
Funny thing is Forest have nothing to complain about. They had one player dodge a red card because he wasn't given a yellow for waving an imaginary card and another dodge a red for a clear second yellow challenge when he pulled back McT on a break. On top of that he gave a freekick when two Forest players collided with each other, and Onana got a yellow card for timewasting because there was a second ball on the pitch and by the rules he wasn't allowed to take the kick.
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For me, they’ve just made it even more complicated with even more grey areas with these new rules. Refs are nowhere near being standardised and they pick and choose when to apply them under their own interpretations.
The extra game time is a plus for viewers but it all feels like it’s being done to create more drama and talking points, particularly for the overseas channels and viewers.
The extra game time is a plus for viewers but it all feels like it’s being done to create more drama and talking points, particularly for the overseas channels and viewers.
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I think considering they were 2-0 up and the game turned on a dodgy red and then another dodgy pen, I think you’d be best off letting their complaints slide.
first time in ages I spent Saturday afternoon with my dad following the football. As soon as forest went 2-0 up we predicted a red card and pen. And that both would be soft. Lo and behold.
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Caporegime
Considering you think VVD wasn't a red I don't think you can comment lol.
On top of the things I've mentioned they were time wasting throughout the first half and there was only 3 mins added on. When United were leading, suddenly there were THIRTEEN mins added on for them at the end. They got a lot of beneficial decisions.
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ha ha. and yet you won with a dodgy red and a dodgy pen. Ha ha ha.
and tbh, I understand why vvd got sent off. I just think it was harsh, the ref shouldn’t have applied that law and that particular law is accepted as being flawed so should be applied with discretion. Which it wasn’t. It was applied and has defended as though he had no choice. He did. He could have given a yellow and no-one would have batted an eyelid.
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Yeah, I think it was a foul on Fernandes but its hard to argue that it wasn't a crap shoot as to who would actually have got the ball if he didn't foul him. Has to be reasonably clear for a red card IMO.
Ref bottled Trent and got VVD decision right he also missed the foul on Trent so overall he had poor performance. I never felt Newcastle would win that match after about 60 minutes and it still being 1-0 you could see Liverpool growing in confidence.
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To be fair they’re rapidly becoming one of the most disliked set of fans in the country so they deserve a break.
That's subjective but I was just trying to end this incredibly boring, never ending argument about decisions with a bit of humour :/ Everybody has said their bit and I don't think anybody is going to change their minds after the last 100 posts so it's probably not worth continuing.
And sadly that pic of Klopp is fake.
And sadly that pic of Klopp is fake.