Greenlizard0 Premier League Football Thread ** spoilers ** [31st Aug - 1st September 2024]

do you not realise how bad that is though. At this stage of the game?

Team collapsing.
Team not fit.
Team has no tactics.
Team waiting on injured prone players to be fit.
Team still needs a pre season
 
adam cool dude said:
De Ligt and Martinez have played a handful of games together. In fact Liverpool was their first start together. How many times have Konate and VVD played together?
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Quick google shows de light and martinez have played together 65 times, which is more than konate and vvd :p
adam cool dude said:
Man United are still finding their feet and essentially doing their pre season now.
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He's into his 3rd season!! Slots been here 3 games...

I look forward to saying you are still in your preseason come Xmas, guess its your new 'its the injuries' excuse :cry:
 
C Kent said:
Quick google shows de light and martinez have played together 65 times, which is more than konate and vvd :p

He's into his 3rd season!! Slots been here 3 games...

I look forward to saying you are still in your preseason come Xmas, guess its your new 'its the injuries' excuse :cry:
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How have Martinez and De Ligt played 65 games together!? They have played 3. Martinez came into Ajax when De Ligt left. De Ligt most likely knows more about his opponents than Martinez playing 30 times with VVD.

ETH is in his third season but he has a bunch of new players who have had no pre season together. How hard is that for you to understand?
 
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I'm not a fan of ETH but literally cannot be bothered to go down that rabbit hole again...

Next game is away at Southampton.

If we don't get anything away there then I don't think anyone can defend ETH despite what has been listed above^

So ironically, for ETH at least, away at Southampton is a big game!

And I never in my life thought I would be writing that about United :eek:
 
Nate75 said:
I'm not a fan of ETH but literally cannot be bothered to go down that rabbit hole again...

Next game is away at Southampton.

If we don't get anything away there then I don't think anyone can defend ETH despite what has been listed above^

So ironically, for ETH at least, away at Southampton is a big game!

And I never in my life thought I would be writing that about United :eek:
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They are going to scrape it 1-0. Play crap, fluke a win, and then he will say it is a step in the right direction.
 
adam cool dude said:
ETH is in his third season but he has a bunch of new players who have had no pre season together. How hard is that for you to understand?
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Because its an another excuse in a long list of excuses, no team had a preseason as such. Your midfield is the same one that played the entirety of last season together and yet there was the usual holes all over the place same as last season, what's the excuse for that one? lack of a preseason or injuries? Or do you honestly believe that ugarte is going to come in and magically fix it? What happens when he gets injured or suspended, back to the same dysfunctional 3?
 
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C Kent said:
Because its an another excuse in a long list of excuses, no team had a preseason as such. Your midfield is the same one that played the entirety of last season together and yet there was the usual holes all over the place same as last season, what's the excuse for that one? lack of a preseason or injuries? Or do you honestly believe that ugarte is going to come in and magically fix it? What happens when he gets injured or suspended, back to the same dysfunctional 3?
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It doesn't matter if no team has had a preseason. If you have new players they need time to bed in and work. You are never going to compete against a team like Liverpool who are well oiled and know what to do. Especially against a fresh new manager who hasn't been figured out yet.

You are expecting United to be at Liverpool's level when they are clearly not yet and will not be for a while at least. Regardless of whether ETH is there or not.
 
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adam cool dude said:
It doesn't matter if no team has had a preseason. If you have new players they need time to bed in and work. You are never going to compete against a team like Liverpool who are well oiled and know what to do. Especially against a fresh new manager who hasn't been figured out yet.

You are expecting United to be at Liverpool's level when they are clearly not yet and will not be for a while at least. Regardless of whether ETH is there or not.
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I'm expecting you to have a coherent playstyle well into a managers 3rd season.

Out of interest where did you have us coming before the season started? Im willing to bet you would have had us down as struggling with a new manager coming in, but all of a sudden that's now irrelevant.
 
C Kent said:
I'm expecting you to have a coherent playstyle well into a managers 3rd season.

Out of interest where did you have us coming before the season started? Im willing to bet you would have had us down as struggling with a new manager coming in, but all of a sudden that's now irrelevant.
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I did initially because of the perceived perception of Jurgen Klopp and my belief that Liverpool was good because of Klopp and Klopp alone. Now I am starting to think it might be the other way around. It is still early days however and Slot is brand new to the league with a top team. Eventually people will have him figured out and then we will see if he is the real deal.

In a nutshell just like Man Utd it is far too early to judge Liverpool.
 
adam cool dude said:
He didn't really nullify it though. It was two massive mistakes from Casemiro that led to both goals. Then we just collapsed. Up until 30 minutes we were giving Liverpool a good game but we couldn't keep it up as we are not at that level yet.

What we really saw was a team that is solid and together from the past season compared to a team that isn't ready yet or even playing in the right positions.
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While Casemiro is undoubtedly washed up and primarily at fault for the first two goals, there was so much more wrong than just Casemiro for both the goals. For the first goal Gravenberch intercepts the ball on the half way line (not the 6 yard box) and yet Liverpool have got a 5(?) on 3. Why have both Utd's full backs ended up so high up the pitch in that position and why has Mainoo vacated the midfield? Mainoo isn't even watching when the pass is played and then can't be bothered to track back (at least 3 Utd players ran past him while he was jogging back). Then the 2nd goal, Liverpool had 3 players attacking vs 6 Utd defenders and yet Diaz is getting a shot away 15 yards out centre of Utd's goal with no defender close to him. Martinez, who literally watches Diaz run into the box, or to a lesser extent De Ligt have got to pick him up.

And while the Trent goal doesn't count, it doesn't mean the move and terrible state of Utd's defending didn't happen. From midway in our own half, with one pass Gravenberch has ended up breaking into the Utd area. Mainoo again vacates his position to try and win the ball high up and Utd were wide open.

Utd had a bit of energy about them and the crowd was up in the first 30 mins but go and watch the game back, Utd kept giving the ball away in their defensive third whenever Liverpool put the press on and or played through Utd's press. Utd's set-up was guff and a goal was always on the cards for us, it just so happened it was Casemiro's mistakes that started the moves but it could have easily been Mainoo or Martinez playing a hospital ball out of the back that resulted in the first goal.
 
adam cool dude said:
Agreed but they have played 100+ games together. That was more the point I was making.

Yesterday De Ligt, Mazraoui and Zirkzee have played a handful of times in this United team. They have had zero time to work on things with the team. Liverpool are a well oiled machine.
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You do realise that De Ligt and Mazraoui played together at Munich so they are not exactly strangers to each other
 
C Kent said:
Doesn't explain your dysfunctional midfield - tbh ugarte isn't going to fix it either as long as you persist with playing both fernades and mainoo
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It does because the whole team is dysfunctional. I am not arguing that. My belief is that the team will become functional over time as the players return/begin to play with each other more and we can get a bit of stability in the starting 11. It is just unfortunate we managed to play a Liverpool team with a new manager who were at full strength into the third game of the season.

Football is all about form and availability of players. Ugarte may well be that missing link or he might not. Nobody will know until he actually plays. Tell me now would you prefer to face Man City with Rodri or without?
 
adam cool dude said:
It does because the whole team is dysfunctional. I am not arguing that. My belief is that the team will become functional over time as the players return/begin to play with each other more and we can get a bit of stability in the starting 11. It is just unfortunate we managed to play a Liverpool team with a new manager who were at full strength into the third game of the season.

Football is all about form and availability of players. Ugarte may well be that missing link or he might not. Nobody will know until he actually plays. Tell me now would you prefer to face Man City with Rodri or without?
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are you comparing ugarte at utd to rodri at city :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
 
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adam cool dude said:
It does because the whole team is dysfunctional. I am not arguing that. My belief is that the team will become functional over time as the players return/begin to play with each other more and we can get a bit of stability in the starting 11. It is just unfortunate we managed to play a Liverpool team with a new manager who were at full strength into the third game of the season.
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Where does the belief come from? What has ten hag done that gives you any sort of hint that he knows what he is doing? You seem to be hoping that because you've spent a bit of cash (yet again) that things will work out because thats what happens to other teams with good managers.
adam cool dude said:
Football is all about form and availability of players. Ugarte may well be that missing link or he might not. Nobody will know until he actually plays. Tell me now would you prefer to face Man City with Rodri or without?
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I'd rather face a full strength man utd side over a man city side with 3 or 4 players missing tbh
 
adam cool dude said:
No I am comparing the importance of having a CDM that is actually any good to not having one at all.
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The same thing will happen to ugarte that happened to casimero, a decent start followed by the player breaking down because he's got to cover for 2 players that have zero positional understanding or willingness to defend.
 
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