So why did he retract his hand compared to all other players?
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So why did he retract his hand compared to all other players?
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Very much wanted an incident.
This season, Suarez incidents excluded, Evra does not come across as a decent person on the field.
Anyway, press have something to write about.
Fergusson has something to whinge about.
I agree.
******* spineless, in the middle of an argument with a bar full of Toon fans trying to justify that ****. We were due a spanking overachieving as we are, but that was plain gutless.
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Purdy, if RAWK could be distilled into one man it would be you.
Victim complex? Check.
Bizarre insistence on calling SAF "Mr"? Check.
Believing everything is a Hillsborough slur? Check.
Basing arguments on enormously tenuous evidence? Check.
I could go on but I don't want to end up like Robbo, so TTFN.
LOL I have been saying that for ages now and Newcastle have messed up my accumulators every week
I would very much like them to stay up there though. I think I probably fancy Arsenal most for fourth now.
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Osasuna just went 2-0 against Barca.
lol, this is the demi god Guardiola(according to some) who dropped Xavi, Cesc and kept Iniesta on the bench...... Thiago did indeed look great in preseason but I've been far less impressed during the season. he's very good but theres the odd lapse in concentration, the odd really poor choice and, well looks great for the future but not ready to try and "run" the midfield in the same way as Cesc/Xavi/Iniesta could.
Reckless and stupid to drop all three, 7 points off the top and potentially 10 by the end of the weekend. It's not like Leverkusen should be that big of a worry midweek.
That was well over 12 years since The Dane left Utd, apart from anything else (whether it should have been or not is another matter entirely ) but you cant put today's views in context to that period
Barnes has always appeared pretty level headed, why would he disagree with wanting to kick such oppressive views out of football (or even life itself)
Its THREE incidents, and esp with Capello's resignation / england captaincy situation its in the media in general, its not around one incident
and you are putting actions onto Evra just like you accuse SAF of putting words into Barnes' mouth - you have NO idea what would have happened if that tackle had connected or if Saurez / Evra had shaken hands
Except maybe Evra!
We have got to keep the consistency going, as you say it's tight, but you can't do more than win games and we are currently in a good habit of doing that.
Of course I forgot about us playing Millwall at the Amex on Tuesday!
Millwall have found a little bit of form, but I really can't see anything less than 3pts for us if we keep focused. Just keep fingers crossed that we don't pick up any injuries.
So you completely ignore what I said basically due to the fact you dug yourself a hole making Evra look like a **** and creatining an incident.
I was at Anfield last week, not that I'd need to be to hear the references but I got a lot of it on the train and in the airport on the way home. Also not sure where you get I think everything is a Hillsborough slur, they sang about it today as they usually do and did so last week in the cup, I've just never had it at me when outside the ground.
Okay here's my take on today just for the record
1- Suarez. I've said all along that I doubt he is a racist per say but he's done himself no favours, to begin with he should have publicly apologised to Evra, whether he believes he was in the wrong or not Evra took whatever was said in an offensive way and that is enough of a reason to apologise. For him then not to shake Evra's hand today and act like he's the one that's been wronged in all of this is genuinely baffling.
2- The handshake itself. It does look like Evra was less keen to shake Suarez's hand than he had been the other Liverpool players but nonetheless his hand was there and it was Suarez the snubbed gesture completely. As for Rio subsequently not shaking Suarez's hand I honestly think that's being blown out of all proportion, if you look at it by the time Suarez gets to Ferdinand Evra is still holding onto his arm and basically the whole thing was starting to descend into chaos so I don't think anything should be read into that.
I've heard Welbeck didn't shake Suarez's hand either, obviously that wasn't shown on TV nor do I know where Welbeck was positioned in the lineup but assuming he was near the back and Suarez had obliged with the niceties with the rest of our team (bar Evra and Ferdinand) then Welbeck would have been best severed to keep his name out of the headlines and shook Suarez's hand if it was there to be shaken.
3- Evra's celebrations. I think it's pretty hard not to concede he was doing it to wind up Liverpool, I don't believe he targeted Suarez specifically though because at no point do you see him look at Suarez, Suarez just appears in the shot behind Evra after a moment or two. If you compare it to what Keown did all those years back when he clearly targeted his celebrations towards RVN then what Evra did today was not even remotely similar. That said it's not surprising certain Liverpool players did react the way they did.
4- KKK post match. For once I though he was quite dignified, he lost his cool with Shreeves eventually but if he genuinely didn't know what Suarez had done pre match then he was probably unprepared for the question. Had he known that Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand he probably would have refused to give Sky an interview like he did with the written media afterwards.
5- Fergie post match. OTT. For one refusing to shake someone's hand shouldn't under any circumstances equal the end of their career. For two it's got nothing to do with us how Liverpool handle their players nor should we concern ourselves with how their players represent them either. Fair enough if Fergie thought Suarez was a disgrace (as do many I would imagine) but leave it there. Fergie's now created a headline that we'll be reading for days and referring to for years.
Only thing left for me to say is what did Robbo do to get banned?
1- Suarez. I've said all along that I doubt he is a racist per say but he's done himself no favours, to begin with he should have publicly apologised to Evra, whether he believes he was in the wrong or not Evra took whatever was said in an offensive way and that is enough of a reason to apologise. For him then not to shake Evra's hand today and act like he's the one that's been wronged in all of this is genuinely baffling.
2- The handshake itself. It does look like Evra was less keen to shake Suarez's hand than he had been the other Liverpool players but nonetheless his hand was there and it was Suarez the snubbed gesture completely. As for Rio subsequently not shaking Suarez's hand I honestly think that's being blown out of all proportion, if you look at it by the time Suarez gets to Ferdinand Evra is still holding onto his arm and basically the whole thing was starting to descend into chaos so I don't think anything should be read into that.
I've heard Welbeck didn't shake Suarez's hand either, obviously that wasn't shown on TV nor do I know where Welbeck was positioned in the lineup but assuming he was near the back and Suarez had obliged with the niceties with the rest of our team (bar Evra and Ferdinand) then Welbeck would have been best severed to keep his name out of the headlines and shook Suarez's hand if it was there to be shaken.
3- Evra's celebrations. I think it's pretty hard not to concede he was doing it to wind up Liverpool, I don't believe he targeted Suarez specifically though because at no point do you see him look at Suarez, Suarez just appears in the shot behind Evra after a moment or two. If you compare it to what Keown did all those years back when he clearly targeted his celebrations towards RVN then what Evra did today was not even remotely similar. That said it's not surprising certain Liverpool players did react the way they did.
4- KKK post match. For once I though he was quite dignified, he lost his cool with Shreeves eventually but if he genuinely didn't know what Suarez had done pre match then he was probably unprepared for the question. Had he known that Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand he probably would have refused to give Sky an interview like he did with the written media afterwards.
5- Fergie post match. OTT. For one refusing to shake someone's hand shouldn't under any circumstances equal the end of their career. For two it's got nothing to do with us how Liverpool handle their players nor should we concern ourselves with how their players represent them either. Fair enough if Fergie thought Suarez was a disgrace (as do many I would imagine) but leave it there. Fergie's now created a headline that we'll be reading for days and referring to for years.
Only thing left for me to say is what did Robbo do to get banned?
Hahaha.
The only one who couldn't let it lie was Suarez.
Let us be clear here, Suarez was the one who originally abused Evra, Evra is the wronged party in this....Suarez was banned, he has served his ban and Evra by offering his hand to Suarez showed that he was willing to draw a line under the incident.
Suarez decided, for whatever reason that he would escalate and inflame an already tense situation by purposely refusing to shake the hand of Evra, he then made a joke about it to his team-mate in front of Evra immediately after the players broke to the field.
These are not the actions of a man who wishes to let it lie, they are the actions of a man who cannot see beyond his own prejudices and unfortunately he is a bad reflection on a club who have a long and proud footballing tradition and who are committed to stamping out the very attitude and actions that Suarez has been banned for.
At best he was petulant and infantile, at worst he is a racist. In either case Liverpool FC have an issue they need to deal with quickly and authoritatively and that is one that revolves around the actions of Luis Suarez and not Patrice Evra, who throughout the game showed integrity and strength of character, something that if Suarez had shown just a little of during the pre-match handshake then we would not be discussing this, but discussing the football itself.
As far as his after-match celebrations, he is not the first, nor will he be the last player to let his passion and emotion get the better of him in a win of such importance to him and the club, this was about the relationship between Evra, his club and the Manchester United Fans however, and nothing to do with Suarez.
Suarez today disgraced not only himself, but the club that he was representing, and if Kenny Dalglish has any integrity left to him then he will cease to defend the actions of Suarez and address them with the player directly. If he does not then a great club with a fantastic pedigree will be associated with the petty racially motivated actions of Suarez for years to come. No-one wants to see that.
And Robbo getting suspended for his opinion is unfair in my opinion. If someone is allowed their opinion on a subject no matter what their motivation then another member should be able to give theirs regarding that motivation.
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LOL I have been saying that for ages now and Newcastle have messed up my accumulators every week
I would very much like them to stay up there though. I think I probably fancy Arsenal most for fourth now.
Don't forget its usually(and by that I mean, basically every year for 7 years) the Feb through early march period that screws Arsenal, champs league back in play, cups, extra games, tiredness, Wenger tending to overplay certain players and get them injured in that time, couple that with a few tough games and Arsenal tend to fall apart.
Arsenal's run of fixtures is, Milan away, Sunderland away, Spurs home, Pool away, AC home, Newcastle home, Everton away(or another FA cup game). We've got three away games in a row, then two teams going for top 4, another champs league game, another team going for top 4.
This is what usually happens, run of close together, tough games, many away, and a lot of top 8 games in a row. This might be the year we don't fall apart......... I can't see it.
In fact I'd go as far as to say the only games you might call easy would be Villa, Wolves, QPR and Wigan. Arsenal are artificially high having played a huge portion of our "easy" games early.
From now to the end of the season, 2 AC Milan games, Liverpool, Spurs, Newcastle, City, Chelsea and Stoke away and if we beat AC Milan(perfectly possible) we could throw in extra CL games and extra FA cup games as well.
He doesn't withdraw his hand, he moves it down a bit. Christ almighty.
Okay here's my take on today just for the record
1- Suarez. I've said all along that I doubt he is a racist per say but he's done himself no favours, to begin with he should have publicly apologised to Evra, whether he believes he was in the wrong or not Evra took whatever was said in an offensive way and that is enough of a reason to apologise. For him then not to shake Evra's hand today and act like he's the one that's been wronged in all of this is genuinely baffling.
2- The handshake itself. It does look like Evra was less keen to shake Suarez's hand than he had been the other Liverpool players but nonetheless his hand was there and it was Suarez the snubbed gesture completely. As for Rio subsequently not shaking Suarez's hand I honestly think that's being blown out of all proportion, if you look at it by the time Suarez gets to Ferdinand Evra is still holding onto his arm and basically the whole thing was starting to descend into chaos so I don't think anything should be read into that.
I've heard Welbeck didn't shake Suarez's hand either, obviously that wasn't shown on TV nor do I know where Welbeck was positioned in the lineup but assuming he was near the back and Suarez had obliged with the niceties with the rest of our team (bar Evra and Ferdinand) then Welbeck would have been best severed to keep his name out of the headlines and shook Suarez's hand if it was there to be shaken.
3- Evra's celebrations. I think it's pretty hard not to concede he was doing it to wind up Liverpool, I don't believe he targeted Suarez specifically though because at no point do you see him look at Suarez, Suarez just appears in the shot behind Evra after a moment or two. If you compare it to what Keown did all those years back when he clearly targeted his celebrations towards RVN then what Evra did today was not even remotely similar. That said it's not surprising certain Liverpool players did react the way they did.
4- KKK post match. For once I though he was quite dignified, he lost his cool with Shreeves eventually but if he genuinely didn't know what Suarez had done pre match then he was probably unprepared for the question. Had he known that Suarez refused to shake Evra's hand he probably would have refused to give Sky an interview like he did with the written media afterwards.
5- Fergie post match. OTT. For one refusing to shake someone's hand shouldn't under any circumstances equal the end of their career. For two it's got nothing to do with us how Liverpool handle their players nor should we concern ourselves with how their players represent them either. Fair enough if Fergie thought Suarez was a disgrace (as do many I would imagine) but leave it there. Fergie's now created a headline that we'll be reading for days and referring to for years.
Only thing left for me to say is what did Robbo do to get banned?
1. Disagree he should apologise if he doesn't think he has done anything wrong, he should explain what was said and how it was meant, no need to apologise.
2. Evra was playing for the incident in reality, and Ferdinand said he refused to shake Suarez's hand after due to not shaking Evra's hand even though it could be argued it was Evra who snubbed the hand shake or it was will I won't I from both players.
Also I don't think Suarez was going to insist Evra shook his hand so if he looked like he wasn't going to do it don't force the matter.
3. Blatantly wumming fans+Suarez, I'd like it if our players did it so can't really complain.
4. Didn't see it.
5. Hypocrite, hardly surprising, wanted the whole matter put to bed and not talked about yet continually goes on about it.
Certainly a different gesture than all the other players got, are you trying to tell me it was coincidence that it just happened to be at that moment?
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Evra did retract.. a little bit 
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Purdy post that link you sent me.
I still agree that Suarez is a **** but Evra did back away a bit. You can't see it from most angles or the slow-mo.
I still agree that Suarez is a **** but Evra did back away a bit. You can't see it from most angles or the slow-mo.
Never easy being a Wednesdayite. Bloody losing away to Exeter 
Suarez, I'm just astonished at him. He's not only disgraced himself but he's really disgraced Liverpool once again. I wonder if it was Kenny or Liverpool that decided the post match interview wasn't a good idea.
Suarez, I'm just astonished at him. He's not only disgraced himself but he's really disgraced Liverpool once again. I wonder if it was Kenny or Liverpool that decided the post match interview wasn't a good idea.