Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [10th - 14th Feb 2012]

Rotty said:
Dalglish and Suarez have apologised (though I don't think that KD needed to) we will just wait for the same from Evra and Ferguson and then the matter should finally be closed
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why should evra and ferguson apologise, the celebration? it would be bizarre if they were asked to do that. i mean, how would one apologise for feeling ecstatic after such a scenario? it smacks of childish behaviour on both parts but more so from liverpool ''he celebrated in front of our players, he was mocking us''. it was obvious what evra was doing and it was a little childish but who can blame him?

and lol @ the poster comparing the modric scenario to this. again, take the shine off suarez if you must but everyone knows what he is.
 
Rotty said:
Dalglish and Suarez have apologised (though I don't think that KD needed to) we will just wait for the same from Evra and Ferguson and then the matter should finally be closed
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Are you joking?

Fergie already said the celebration was too much (though I disagree with him)
 
** Quote removed ***I'm pretty sure you've said already that you did not think Dalglish said anything wrong in his post-match interview so I assume you agree with Rotty when he says that Dalglish didn't need to apologise.

Ferguson's comments were hypocritical, disrespectful and inflammatory. Not that he will but he should apologise for what he said. I'm sure he wouldn't be happy if another manager tried to tell him how he should deal with his players.
 
BaZ87 said:
Ferguson's comments were hypocritical, disrespectful and inflammatory. Not that he will but he should apologise for what he said. I'm sure he wouldn't be happy if another manager tried to tell him how he should deal with his players.
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there is the angle that he maybe should've kept his nose out(!) but he did raise a valid point, liverpool handled the suarez situation badly.

i said a few pages back, just what has happened to liverpool since 05/06? seem to be in a bit of a decline as far as the quality of players they have at the club.

do you now think getting rid of benitez was a bit of a poor decision? is it because of the take over? losing players like alonso and mascherano and not replacing them suitably? gerrards absence?

the team still has some top quality players and there was a time when (as a spurs fan) i expected nothing from our games against you, not so much over the past few seasons though.

it is also worth remembering that ferguson praised mancini on his handling of tevez.
 
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Doubt the issue will just go away for anytime soon though, given how much the media harp on about this, oh and Ginsoaks's continual baiting and harping to any Media that will listen.

I do think the club need to give Digger more of a role, can't think of anyone that has spoken more sense during this.
 
cm1179 said:
there is the angle that he maybe should've kept his nose out(!) but he did raise a valid point, liverpool handled the suarez situation badly.
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He didn't raise any point about how Liverpool handled anything. He simply told Liverpool to get rid of him. As I said, there's no way that Ferguson would stand for another manager saying the same about one of his players.

As for the rest of your post. The decline started around March 2009 (we finished 2nd that season), when RBS effectively took control of the club. Rather than looking to improve the squad, we were struggling to keep hold of our current players. Things went from bad to worse under Hodgson but thankfully things are on the way back up.
 
It will be easier if anyone and everyone connected with Liverpool ever just say sorry for making a mistake from birth and we can all just point laugh and move on.

Baz can go first, next up Lawrenson.

Closet Everton fans like Gerrard and Carragher can just face a simple firing squad.

:p
 
BaZ87 said:
He didn't raise any point about how Liverpool handled anything. He simply told Liverpool to get rid of him. As I said, there's no way that Ferguson would stand for another manager saying the same about one of his players.

As for the rest of your post. The decline started around March 2009 (we finished 2nd that season), when RBS effectively took control of the club. Rather than looking to improve the squad, we were struggling to keep hold of our current players. Things went from bad to worse under Hodgson but thankfully things are on the way back up.
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Hasn't Fergie got rid of all trouble makers before, or exiled them till they come around(Anderson supposedly a bit of a part guy if I'm remembering right, basically told to do one, buckled down, lost weight got back involved) and someone like Ravel Morrison who is basically supposed to be a trouble maker gotten rid of.

If someone randomly said "get rid of Berbatov he's a disgrace" Fergie would laugh it off, if Fergie had a "Suarez" type, I think Fergie would get rid of him before anyone had the chance to tell him he should.

I'm trying to work out who you struggled to keep hold of in around 2009, I'm not completely sure which transfer window you mean, when you lost Alonso, Arbeloa and Voronin and bought Johnson, Aquaman, Rodders and the big greek lump? In which case, Alonso left for seemingly to the rest of the world because Benitez tried to force Alonso to leave so he could get Barry. Arbeloa wasn't great, wasn't bad and you bought a pretty expensive Johnson to replace him, Voronin was crap and Aquaman being an injury ridden only good in the Italian league was a risk few managers would have taken and it backfired. not sure you can blame any of those on the lack of funds or anything but Benitez to be honest.
 
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elmuzzy66. said:
Fergie never got rid of cantona and his crime was up there with saurez.
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He did one thing particularly bad, got punished, came back, meh. Suarez does crap every game, multiple things in most games. Suarez has had a 7 game ban for biting one player and an 8 game ban for racially abusing another. Loads of players have done horrendous tackles, hopefully most are accidental, a lot probably aren't.

Its the repeat offending thing that has everyone talking about........ repeat offenders. A moment of madness is one thing, a general consistently ***** attitude is something entirely different.
 
cm1179 said:
do you now think getting rid of benitez was a bit of a poor decision? is it because of the take over? losing players like alonso and mascherano and not replacing them suitably? gerrards absence?
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Who in their right mind thought getting rid of Benitez was a remotely good decision? Nevermind considering the replacement.
 
BaZ87 said:
I'm pretty sure you've said already that you did not think Dalglish said anything wrong in his post-match interview so I assume you agree with Rotty when he says that Dalglish didn't need to apologise.

Ferguson's comments were hypocritical, disrespectful and inflammatory. Not that he will but he should apologise for what he said. I'm sure he wouldn't be happy if another manager tried to tell him how he should deal with his players.
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At best I came up with a reason for why he lost it with Shreeves, I certainly never claimed he said nothing wrong though and at the end of the day the only reason why he lost it is because Suarez went back on his word. I think Dalglish reclaimed a bit of dignity publicly apologizing though and considering I think he's a grade A **** saying that doesn't come easily.

As for Fergie until Liverpool decide to publicly complain about what he said then there's nothing for him to apologize for tbh same goes with Evra (although for the record straight after the game Fergie did admit to Sky that Evra shouldn't of goaded the Liverpool players the way he did with his celebrations)
 
BaZ87 said:
He didn't raise any point about how Liverpool handled anything. He simply told Liverpool to get rid of him. As I said, there's no way that Ferguson would stand for another manager saying the same about one of his players.
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Consequently do you really think Fergie would stand for one of his players A- publicly going completely against their word and B- bringing more negativity towards the club?

Fergie's got rid of players for far less.
 
You said that Dalglish was dignified in his interview. If he was dignified, what did he have to apologise for?

And why would Liverpool need to complain for Ferguson to realise his comments were out of order?

Tom84 said:
Consequently do you really think Fergie would stand for one of his players A- publicly going completely against their word and B- bringing more negativity towards the club?

Fergie's got rid of players for far less.
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He flew to France to beg Cantona not to retire after he was banned for 8 months.

Ferguson will put up with **** if the player is worth it. He didn't throw Rooney out after he questioned Utd's ambitions last season because he knew Rooney was too important to the club. The exact same thing with Ronaldo the season before he left.
 
lol Cantona was a great footballer but a trouble maker, remember reading about his early days in France. He was a nutter from day one.

Some people in here are just your typical arrogant Manchester United fans.
 
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BaZ87 said:
You said that Dalglish was dignified in his interview. If he was dignified, what did he have to apologise for?

And why would Liverpool need to complain for Ferguson to realise his comments were out of order?
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Dignified in defeat. I'm not sure why you're arguing this tbh? Liverpool football club have apologized. Suarez has apologized. Dalglish has apologized. Your shirt sponsers have given you a rollocking today over the weekends events as well yet you seem to be disputing it all? At the end of the day Dalgish lost his cool with Shreeves and then subsequently refused to give an interview to the written media, did he need to apologize? No. Was he right to? Yes.

As for Fergie I'm sure he realized in the cold light of day that it had nothing to do with him to tell Liverpool what they should do with one of their players but like most people they're not going to apologize unless they're pressed into doing so. Unfortunately for Liverpool the media's attention was more focused on Suarez being a **** again than Fergie's comments and given that it was Suarez that instigated the whole thing that's hardly surprising is it.

BaZ87 said:
He flew to France to beg Cantona not to retire after he was banned for 8 months.

Ferguson will put up with **** if the player is worth it. He didn't throw Rooney out after he questioned Utd's ambitions last season because he knew Rooney was too important to the club. The exact same thing with Ronaldo the season before he left.
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He/the club also fined and suspended Cantona less you forget

As for Rooney and Ronaldo completely irrelevant to your argument, Rooney was badly advised or was being a greedy sod either way you look at it he never brought the club into disrepute. As for Ronaldo what on earth did he do wrong at United? Yes he made it clear he wanted to leave but he's not the only footballer in the history of the world to be guilty of that is he?
 
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Tom84 said:
Dignified in defeat......
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Go read your own post again. And I'm disputing that Liverpool have issued these apologies? Where did I do that?

All Dalglish done was pull up a **** stirring reporter. Not the first time a manager has done that, is it? He wasn't rude or anything else. There was no need for Dalglish to apologise for anything he said.

Again, Ferguson's comments were hypocritical, disrespectful and inflammatory. He wouldn't tolerate somebody saying the same and had every reason to apologise.
Tom84 said:
He/the club also fined and suspended Cantona less you forget

As for Rooney and Ronaldo completely irrelevant to your argument, Rooney was badly advised or was being a greedy sod either way you look at it he never brought the club into disrepute. As for Ronaldo what on earth did he do wrong at United? Yes he made it clear he wanted to leave but he's not the only footballer in the history of the world to be guilty of that is he? You're seriously clutching at straws now
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Utd had no choice but to ban Cantona. They could hardly claim his innocence and were fortunate that he didn't end up in jail. And contrary to what DM said earlier, that wasn't the only moment of madness from Cantona either. Despite that, Ferguson put up with it all and went to great lengths to keep him at Utd for as long as possible.

What did Ronaldo do wrong? Short memory Tom? He kicked up and fuss and had the cheek to agree with a quote from Blatter claiming that you were treating him like a slave. As you say, Ferguson has kicked out players for less but only players he no longer needs.

edit: Come to think of it, I remember reading an article the other week comparing how Mancini puts up with Balotelli like Ferguson did with Cantona.
 
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