Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [10th - 14th Feb 2012]
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Yes isn't he awful. I'm sure the masses will condemn him for his bang out of line comments. Or maybe they won't. Maybe that's because of the pro United, anti Liverpool conspiracy in the FA and the media or maybe it's just because the general opinion after the last 4 months is that to a degree Liverpool just brought it on themselves. The need for an apology is just childish point scoring.
If Liverpool fans don't want to see it then fine, no one's going to convince them now. Thankfully the owners finally seem to have taken a hold to an extent but really the impotent catterwauling is just dull.
If Liverpool fans don't want to see it then fine, no one's going to convince them now. Thankfully the owners finally seem to have taken a hold to an extent but really the impotent catterwauling is just dull.
I think most non-Utd fans have known what Fergie's like for years.
And read back to the original post I quoted. Tom questioned why Rotty thought Dalglish didn't need to apologise for his post-match comments but Fergie did. Are you going to tell me that what Dalglish said warranted an apology more than what Ferguson said?
You know full well that Ferguson wouldn't stand for another manager saying what he said, let alone the fact that it was hugely hypocritical of him saying what he did after the way he stuck by Cantona.
Then let Dalglish say something if he thinks Ferguson was out of line, or is he going to finally stand for it? You talk about all most United fans knowing what Ferguson is like? Well listen... Listen to that sussuration of condemnation. Maybe people just think it was coming.
Regardless, if it allows LFC fas to feel they can finally take some moral highground then good for them. Maybe they can finally move on. I don't see any need for Ferguson to apologise. If you don't think an apology was due off Dalglish then write a letter to your owners or something. Seems they're the one's who've insisted on it.
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Does Dalglish's condemnation of Fergie's comments change anything he said? And we regularly hear non-Utd fans criticising Taggart's comments, both Saturday's and his previous comments. I'm not overly bothered about what Taggart said, it's typical of him and nothing he says surprises me anymore.
I don't think it was needed but I understand why it came. Liverpool want to put the whole episode behind them.
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I dont need to read what I said at all, I said Dalglish was surprisingly dignified and gave a reason for why he may have lost it with Shreeves that in no way contradicts my response to Rotty who somehow thinks Fergie was more deserving of offering an apology than Dalglish. Like I said unless someone from Liverpool took offense to what Fergie said then he has no reason to apologize. On the other hand the way Dalglish spoke to Shreeves who did nothing but report the facts was certainly deserving of an apology. Did Dalglish have to give one? No. Was it the right thing to do? Yes.
We didn't have to ban Cantona at all.... well no more than we could have banned Rio for being an idiot for missing a drugs test. The FA requested with suspend him and we obliged, we could have easily fought that request though. As for Ronaldo you really think it's comparable to what he did to what Suarez has done? Bringing Liverpool into a race row and then publicly going back on his word that he gave Dalglish after he and Liverpool had supported him through thick and thin?
The two aren't comparable at all and the fact you think they are is probably the most baffling thing you've ever posted and given some of the stuff you come out with that's really some achievement
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Suarez discussion update: Still going strong.
Should hardly be a surprise given it's the day Baz has decided to air his views is it
Dalglish didn't object to Shreeves "reporting facts"; Dalglish actually said he'll take Shreeves word for it. He only took exception to Shreeves once he started to **** stir. He wasn't rude or disrespectful to Shreeves though; he told him straight that he thought Shreeves was being incredibly harsh with his line of questioning. If what Dalglish said warranted an apology then we'll be seeing apologies near enough every week from managers.
And somebody doesn't need to complain for something to be wrong. I'm sure had Dalglish said that Utd should have got rid of 'x', you'd see why people would take exception to Fergie saying the same.
We didn't have to ban Cantona at all.... well no more than we could have banned Rio for being an idiot for missing a drugs test. The FA requested with suspend him and we obliged, we could have easily fought that request though. As for Ronaldo you really think it's comparable to what he did to what Suarez has done? Bringing Liverpool into a race row and then publicly going back on his word that he gave Dalglish after he and Liverpool had supported him through thick and thin?
The two aren't comparable at all and the fact you think they are is probably the most baffling thing you've ever posted and given some of the stuff you come out with that's really some achievement
Your ability to read and understand very simple things is quite worrying Tom. Where have I compared what Suarez has done with what Ronaldo has done? I commented on Ferguson's willingness to stand by players despite their issues; these issues can range from smaller things such as Ronaldo and Rooney's comments to the likes of Cantona attacking a fan. I shouldn't be surprised that you couldn't understand that after you claimed that I disputed that Liverpool issued any apologies a minute ago, when I said nothing of the sort.
And you could have chose not to suspend Cantona but as you know, that would have been totally pointless as you knew the suspension was coming and totally out of your hands.
Suarez was wrong to tell Dalglish that he would shake Evra's hand and then not to do so. He's apologised and if the club see fit, they'll punish him. They won't kick him out though because he's too valuable to them. Just like Utd didn't get rid of Cantona.
Ironic that my first post on the matter was quoting youShould hardly be a surprise given it's the day Baz has decided to air his views is it
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REALLY????
(He isnt really expecting anyone (from LFC) to listen to him, let alone take it seriously and actually go ahead and sack / sell Saurez without giving him another game)
imo its far worse when a manager idolizes a player from another club publicly than saying something like SAF did. and that goes on every weekend practically
Not one United supporter has agreed with what Fergie said so of course we can see why you lot have taken exception to it but that doesn't mean Fergie should apologize. You've said plenty of stuff to me and others on this forum that I feel are uncalled for and are deserving of an apology, no one's ever called you on it though so consequently has it ever once crossed your mind that you might owe someone a sorry? Of course it hasn't. Exact same situation with Fergie, until someone (in this case Liverpool) publicly call him on his comments then he nor the club are going to feel they need to answer for anything.
It's you that's worrying Baz. It was you that called Fergie a hypocrite sighting the way he chose not to boot out Rooney or Ronaldo in their previous misdemeanors. Why mention them whatsoever if you're not of the opinion that what they did was as bad as what Suarez has done? If you're of the opinion that what Rooney and Ronaldo have done in the past wasn't as bad as Suarez and thus aren't comparable how is Fergie a hypocrite saying you should get rid of him?
You may have had a point had you simply left your argument comparing Suarez with Cantona but you didn't you decided for some reason to bring Rooney and Ronaldo into it
Ironic that my first post on the matter was quoting you
I wasn't the only one who mocked Rotty for his reply yet of the 2 (IIRC) other replies you chose to quote me. There's no irony involved whatsoever, as you always do you decided to pick on my post. Had you replied to Shami or CM then we wouldn't even be doing this.
Interestingly I've just seen on SSN that is was Dowd that decided that Liverpool should approach us for the pre game handshakes. Apparently it's customary for the home team to approach the away team (I've never paid any attention to this I must admit)
I guess questions should be asked as to why Dowd decided this....
I guess questions should be asked as to why Dowd decided this....
If you can see why we've taken exception to it then why the shock when Rotty called for him to apologise? And if I said something that I thought deserved an apology, I would apologise without being asked to do so.
No. I've called him a hypocrite for standing by Cantona. I've made general point he'll put up with more from certain players than he will others. Stam and RvN's comments weren't tolerated once he thought they were past their use by dates. Ronaldo and Rooney's comments were tolerated. That's not specific to Taggart, it's the same with nearly every manager and club these days.
I'm sorry that you think I'm picking on you. I saw your post quoting Rotty and I responded and it wasn't because it was you.
Just the other day I consciously chose not to ridicule you for your comment on Hart as the next England captain because I thought you might think I'm picking on you. Had it been anybody else, I'd have made something of it.
Don't take anything I say on here personally. At the very worst it's banter. We know that you can't take a joke though
what baffles most of the other posters here, liverpool fans. is that (again, just like monday night) you wont simply admit suarez is a problem to your club but would rather compare him to other players in the past, cantona (bizarelly) being one of them. an incident that happened in the mid 90's, which was a crazy act, there is no doubting that but an act which never happened again. and then, you bleat on about ferguson apologising in light of dalglish's poor media handling?
what you may have to do, is draw up a list of players who have commited stupid acts so that you can use them as a comparison the next time suarez acts in a stupid manner.
unless he bucks his ideas up rapidly, i can see the owners making a decision on putting him on the market as he is poison to your club right now. then maybe you'll let your true feelings on him be known.
what you may have to do, is draw up a list of players who have commited stupid acts so that you can use them as a comparison the next time suarez acts in a stupid manner.
unless he bucks his ideas up rapidly, i can see the owners making a decision on putting him on the market as he is poison to your club right now. then maybe you'll let your true feelings on him be known.
We (or at least I) have only used any comparison with Cantona in regards to the hypocrisy of Ferguson's comments.
As for you general point. Like I said last week, he's a monster but he's our monster and I love him. He's not the first and won't be the last bad boy that's idolised by a clubs supporters.
he is poison to your club. dalglish has a problem on his hands now and your investors don't want to see their stock crash.
what's to love?