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Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [12th May 2019]

Discussion in 'The Football Stadium' started by Cosimo, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. Calpol

    Wise Guy

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    Problem is that the commercial side of the club has become too important to allow the clearout and rebuild that many are asking for. The global revenues that are supported by the world stars of Lukaku, Pogba, Sanchez, Mata, augmented by the instagram wannabees Lingard, Martial mean that you have a board fighting for something that is contradictory to what is required on the pitch. I agree that the culture in the dressing room seems toxic and this is something that even top managers like Mourinho and van Gaal have failed to address. Perhaps OGS is the perfect guy for this job at this time. He has no real reputation at stake and might just have nothing to lose. He loves the club and will put that before himself.

    Lets give him the next couple of months and see what ins and outs he manages. I'd be inclined to get rid of Lukaku, Pogba, Young, Rojo, Jones, Mata, Matic and possibly Lingaard ( I don't like him !) He needs to bring in 2*CB, 1 RB, 1LB, 1 CM, 1 Winger at the very least.
     
  2. Mekrel

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    As a United fan, even I have to tip my hat to Liverpool on their performances this season. Extremely unlucky timing in that the squad and indentity that Klopp has been building has come to fruition at the same time as City reaching their stride under Pep Guardiola.

    I literally have no idea how we (United) go from here. How can our form as of late be so completely different to OGS' first 10 games at the helm, with the same squad? I heard people say that we only played easy teams but within that period we beat Spurs away, Arsenal & Chelsea away in the FA cup, PSG away in the Champions League and held Liverpool to a draw.

    There doesn't appear to be any medium or long term plan. Appointing Solskjaer so quickly was a terrible decision, I thought he was supposed to be interim until the end of the season? That was a win:win for Ole and the board, he had a risk free stab at proving his managerial ability in the best league in the world and the board had time to assess and plan. It's almost as if they put him in, didn't discuss other options and appointed him on his first 10 games. 10 games is nothing as the season went on the prove.
     
  3. Snax

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    Simple- the squad had a point to prove after mourinho. Now it is swinging to firing the manager again, it is exacerbating the issue of player power.

    The best teams have humble players who enjoy working hard as part of a team unit... not players thinking about their next highlight reel.
     
  4. Jimbeam3678

    Capodecina

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    Surely by now Man U fans have realised the manager isn’t the problem!
     
  5. Robbo

    Don

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    Absolutely. But all that aside, it's a huge job and he's not necessarily the best person to do it.

    I'm sure he'll get a shot though.
     
  6. mysticsniper

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    The weirdest thing for me was that before Ole signed the contract Man Utd were playing like Champs, as soon as Ole signed they were back to being chumps?!?
     
  7. BaZ87

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    I mentioned it before, from a stats point of view Utd's results when Solkjaer first took over were far better than their performances suggested they would be getting - they were definitely much improved on what they were playing like under Mourino though and what they ended up playing like in the last couple of months. The big downturn in form was before he signed the permanent deal though, the concern is how it's progressively got worse week on week to the point that they've ended up possibly worse than their lowest point under Mourino.
     
  8. Sui

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    Errrr what
     
  9. Snax

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    fans dont have a say... as mentioned earlier, the commercial profile of the squad is too good to ignore for the Man Utd board. Players know they have power based on their brand rather than talent/performance. It impacts the way they play (makes them selfish and lazy) but maintains their untouchable position in tthe club
     
  10. Kelt

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    If Utd are putting the revenue they get from under performing players over the success of their club, then they deserve to be exactly where they are.
     
  11. Snax

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    Why else would you keep Pogba?
     
  12. Kelt

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    Exactly.

    They need to change their fundamental philosophy.

    Daresay that's easier said than done with the Glaziers in charge.
     
  13. BaZ87

    Don

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    As always this commercial thing gets massively overplayed. How much money do you really think Pogba earns Utd from a commercial point of view? What happened to Utd's commercial revenue when they sold Beckham or Ronaldo? Utd as a club are bigger than these players and if Pogba leaves then somebody else will become the face of Utd, just like when Beckham left and Ronaldo left. Yes the commercial department would rather keep Pogba but he really makes minimal difference to Utd's commercial success. The lost commercial revenue from missing out on the CL is far far greater than any additional revenue Pogba brings Utd from a commercial point of view - and then of course you've got the small matter £70-80m worth of CL prize money too.

    Directly answering your question as to why he's still there. There's two reasons, firstly because they spent so much on him that they can't justify selling him without somebody paying them a huge amount of money. Utd as a business invested north of £100m on Pogba - both from a business and pride point of view they will not want to sell that asset for a significant loss. Secondly and this is split into two parts, as much of a **** as Pogba might be, he's also supremely talented. Given the investment Utd have made in him they're both clinging onto whatever hope they have that he might live up to his potential with them but also terrified that they sell him and he will live up to it else where.
     
  14. jonneymendoza

    Capodecina

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    Wolves and everton have outspent arsenal?
     
  15. nemtizz

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    Zaha’s balance outside the area is seriously impressive. Funny that.
     
  16. NiCkNaMe

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    Have to win stuff, spent a fortune. 75m on a CB. Gotta win trophies. Can't keep losing in finals.

    Klopp 5 years no win lolololol
     
  17. Tombstone

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    Not sure it would count as a dreadful season, 75m on a CB who is probably worth twice that now and who ended up as player of the year, golden boot winner, golden glove winner, only losing once all year, losing out on the league by just 1 point (WAY closer than any other team in the league managed to push City) and making it to a 2nd consecutive Champions League final, meaning that Klopp has made it 3 consecutive European final appearances in a row (more than any other manager in the league). None of that even comes close to constituting a dreadful season, in fact I suspect that every single other team in the league, bar City, would have wanted a season like that.

    Silverware is of course the aim of all the major teams and maybe Liverpool will end with the Champions League trophy or maybe they wont, but either way its a long long LONG way from a dreadful season.

    I smell the whiff of troll :D
     
  18. NiCkNaMe

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    Not at all

    Won't be remembered for being cup finalists or coming second. Got to win trophies..

    Super tense for Klopp. One of his final moments to be remembered as either a winner with Liverpool or a perrenial loser...

    Also hasn't he self admitted he'll be off if he doesn't pick up some success inside 5yrs?
     
  19. Tombstone

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    So you truly believe that Liverpool have had a "dreadful" season? Not a good season, not an average season, not a poor season...but a dreadful season?

    I think Liverpool will be remembered for being runner up in the league this season, this season has been a record breaking one, with two teams batting back and forth like never before and has boiled down to one team winning by one point 98 to 97. Its been a season and a title race which will stick in the minds of true football fans for a long time.

    Dont think I've heard Klopp say he will be off in 5 years if he doesnt win something, but I am open minded enough to look at a link to evidence of that if you have one.
     
  20. Stumble Bum

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    The absolute state of this!

    Who do you support troll?