Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [15 - 17th December 2012]

BaZ87 said:
Or he could answer honestly. He thought it was a pen and due to several penalty decisions, both marginal and stone wall, going against us over the course of the season, he doesn't know what we have to do to get one.

As I said in my edit, if it was a campaign he'd have taken the bait from the interviewer and claimed a penalty or at least highlighted the inconsistency between the handball given against us vs West Ham and the one not given for us yesterday. He didn't though.
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Do you mean the difference being, against West Ham, Allen's hand touched the ball in the area, and against Villa, it hit the guys chest?

Baz, he is handling it badly, same way KK did beginning of last year, every single game was moaning about poor decisions, and frequently it was about non existant penaltys. The problem is the mind set it instills you your fans, players and manager. It doesn't matter if its Liverpool fans, or any other club, go into a game, see a close penalty call and don't get it, fans feel agrieved, get another one denied and and fans get louder, and players complain to the refs more, etc, etc.

Your team/fans go into every game already at the "peak" complainy phase, a 50/50 throw in call goes the wrong way and Suarez is already trying to bite the ref's neck, a potential penalty call goes the wrong way and the ref is surrounded and giving out yellows for decent. He, like KK, is helping maintain this "its not fair" attitude, the attitude that meant Suarez again on several occasions was ignoring THE GAME going on around him to complain to the ref.

Rodgers could have calmed it down, calmed his players down, calmed the fans down, and said, it wasn't a penalty, the ref did well.

The ref's will respect him, the players might see sense, the fans might see sense.

Imagine if Suarez DIDN'T harrasse the ref over every single decision all game, do you think his protest for the handball would have carried more weight with the ref if he ONLY ever asked for decisions when they should go to Liverpool and were big decisions? Boy who cried wolf, Liverpool players and fans react, and no one else even notices anymore.

Managers do complain about decisions in a game, but they rarely go, "that probably should have been a penalty, like the one last week, and three weeks ago on sunday, and that red card they should have got last month, etc, etc". Its an attitude KK, and now Rodgers are portraying, and Suarez does it all game long, "there was a decision wrong 6 years, 4 months and 8 days ago, a throw in went the wrong way, so give us a penalty now to make up for it". I don't believe Liverpool players when they go down, I don't believe them when they claim a handball... why, because they dive a lot and complain more than any other set of players I've seen. I think like that, LOADS of fans/pundits think like that, why wouldn't ref's think similarly. When Suarez is in your ear all game about nothing decisions and just lying, why would you believe his opinion on a handball?

In the Villa game for me, with only seeing 1-2 replays it wasn't a handball, and if it was his arm was by his side, behind his body... Allens was high and out from his body, they wouldn't be comparable even if it did hit the Villa defenders arm(which I don't think it actually did). Likewise the shirt pull, Clarke had his shirt, and Clarke was having his shirt pulled as well, AND the Liverpool player only actually went to ground after the ball had gone and went down rather... tamely/exageratedly. When players are both clearly pulling each others shirts a decision is rarely if ever given and shouldn't be.
 
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Looked to me as if it hit his arm. Difficult to tell with the camera angle though. It wasn't a pen either way (nor was Allen's) but if you're campaigning, you'd claim it if the interviewer encouraged you.
 
motd2 is on shortly, Baz87. give it another viewing and then give your opinion again.

i remember you or purdy made a similar claim for a penalty when the ball was infact won by gallas quite cleary. well, when i say clearly, i mean to everyone bar liverpool fans.
 
cm1179 said:
motd2 is on shortly, Baz87. give it another viewing and then give your opinion again.

i remember you or purdy made a similar claim for a penalty when the ball was infact won by gallas quite cleary. well, when i say clearly, i mean to everyone bar liverpool fans.
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I've given my opinion already thanks. The ball comes off the Villa players chest/side and possibly onto his arm. You can't see for certain though because of his arm being behind him and the camera angle. As I've said already, it's not a penalty either way. I only brought it up because it was mentioned in the Rodgers interview which led to Snax's rubbish.

And you don't remember me making that claim. I said straight after the game that I'll wait to see the Gallas pen again because it looked like he might have got the ball.
 
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cm1179 said:
motd2 is on shortly, Baz87. give it another viewing and then give your opinion again.

i remember you or purdy made a similar claim for a penalty when the ball was infact won by gallas quite cleary. well, when i say clearly, i mean to everyone bar liverpool fans.
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You mean the one that I thought was a penalty until I saw MOTD and admitted I was wrong, in which A lot of people thought it was a penalty until then? Selective memory, or lack of one, not sure which.
 
Purdy said:
You mean the one that I thought was a penalty until I saw MOTD and admitted I was wrong, in which A lot of people thought it was a penalty until then? Selective memory, or lack of one, not sure which.
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could the reason you've never had a penalty this season then, be because you haven't had a legitimate one?
 
cm1179 said:
could the reason you've never had a penalty this season then, be because you haven't had a legitimate one?
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I think even the most hardened Utd or Everton supporters will acknowledge that Liverpool should have had at least one penalty this season.
 
cm1179 said:
could the reason you've never had a penalty this season then, be because you haven't had a legitimate one?
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Damn you got me.

Also I love how you swing from one slight at something onto another, do you ever stop ?

I honestly can't imagine a 30 odd year old getting on like this in a conversation, multiple times more childish than the worst of my posts in match threads and thats saying something

Can I ask what you do for a living?
 
G Neville explains the game so well. Currently explaining why Arsenal are failing this season.

Really interesting and refreshing to hear a pundit talk sense and not just do a Jamie Redknapp
 
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