Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [17th - 19th September 2011]

drunkenmaster said:
Okay to start, http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Match-reports/2009/January/City-v-Wigan-Athletic-17-Jan-2009

From pretty much this game till end of season he started in midfield, thats Europe, against Arsenal and Liverpool in the league and most of those games, theres a couple he drops in for Richards, first half of the season Zab mostly played left back with Kompany in midfield, second half was mostly reversed, Kompany CB, Zab midfield.

He's played there dozens of times for you, this is fact, yet you seem not to know it.

Why would you play a great CB in DM, why would you play a great DM in CB, because thats how Kompany started playing CB for you. When the TEAM is stronger by putting him in DM, then you do that.

You didn't put him in midfield as cover for De Jong, and the two half decent teams you've played, you drew with and conceded goals. Why did De Jong look so damn good last year, because you had the leagues best DM in central midfield, why is he looking worse..... because he mostly only has Barry infront of him. The defence would be stronger with Kompany covering it, and Toure was in no way weak before he was banned, Lescott hasn't looked bad towards the end of the season and not bad now, Kompany/Toure was a FAR stronger partnership, Toure was immense for you.

So Barca have to adapt, but you don't, their DM's adapted and the team played well, but your CB isn't good enough to play DM, even though he's arguably better there? Your defense has looked less good without a competant DM, its one of the most important positions on the pitch, Barry isn't close to doing the job there.

WHy would I care how Barry plays for England? He's crap for club and country, I watch the City games, Barry has been according to you, one of the best players this season, so I give you a list of the ENTIRE FREAKING TEAM, and you find ONE player he's better than. My opinion is everyone has been better than him, according to your response you NOW say ONE player is worse than him, the point was, you first said he was one of the best. Now reread the list, ignore Kompany and realise....... he's been no where near your best player..... that was the point which you managed to ignore.

Barry's job is more defensive than offensive right now, how much cover has he provided to your defence? In 4 games against 3 crap teams and one out of form team, he managed to help Bolton look competitive, he offered little to no help against Napoli and same against Fulham, he hasn't offered much going forward. Could you please explain what he has done?

THe pozman, Fulham were mocking City, hence its not the same.
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2009, so we have to go back 2 years until he actually played at CM?

If the team is stronger why does Mancini not use him there and why did he move him to CB? also is that why he has always played CB for Anderlecht, Hamburg and Belgium?
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereve...402_kompany_aims_to_be_best_in_premier_league
“It’s a myth that I prefer central midfield,” said Kompany
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De Jong had Barry infront of him? What?
Kompany could play DM but why would you move him there? When he hasn’t played there for a long time and we have no other CB options apart from the untested Savic at the moment and Toure who hasn’t played for ages. Just get over it. He is not going to play there again, Mancini doesn’t see that as his preferred position and neither does he otherwise he would ask to move there and being captain he has a voice within the team.
Toure was immense? I don’t know what games you were watching. Majority i saw were just normal games, nothing special and if anything not great hence why Lescott came in for him.

I am hoping to be proved wrong though and i hope he comes back strong and willing to fight Lescott.

Did I say you did or are you making things up again? I said his performances for England are not good so people will slate him regardless of how well he plays.
He has been one of our best players, all of our players have been good so far barring Kompany but even he hasn’t been diabolical its just because how awesome he was last year.
We have scored tons of goals, attacked every match and looked real title contenders. When you list Silva/Nasri/Aguero etc of course you can’t say he has been better than them because they have scored the goals and made things happen.
He has played well, end of. You might not think it but I and many if not all City fans think he has as well.
He has covered the defence well, looked sharper going forward. Popped up with a cracking goal. Been involved in the attacking play see Tottenham where he was the furthest man forward for Dzeko’s 4th.
 
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Tom84 said:
:o yet another totally random comment actually going to explain this one?
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Random?

You make a joke about the way City fan's celebrate a goal? Correct?

You didn't realise i was saying that utd fans are even worse? in terms of celebration and chants?

Surely?
 
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So our fans celebrating goals the same way each and every other set of fans up all over the world is cringeworthy?

Oh Biz you're arguments are as bad as your fans celebrations :o

EDIT: Received your trust message and fair enough :)
 
Linoge said:
Cheers Gilly, I just wanted that guy to post the rant. I've seen the interview, here's a link, hopefully forumites don't play this in front of young children, it's FURIOUS.
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I can't believe he was allowed to get away with that. And on Live telly too. Clearly inches from punching her in the face. Quite frankly I'm disgusted.
 
Biz.Kid09 said:
2009, so we have to go back 2 years until he actually played at CM?

If the team is stronger why does Mancini not use him there and why did he move him to CB? also is that why he has always played CB for Anderlecht, Hamburg and Belgium?
http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereve...402_kompany_aims_to_be_best_in_premier_league



De Jong had Barry infront of him? What?
Kompany could play DM but why would you move him there? When he hasn’t played there for a long time and we have no other CB options apart from the untested Savic at the moment and Toure who hasn’t played for ages. Just get over it. He is not going to play there again, Mancini doesn’t see that as his preferred position and neither does he otherwise he would ask to move there and being captain he has a voice within the team.
Toure was immense? I don’t know what games you were watching. Majority i saw were just normal games, nothing special and if anything not great hence why Lescott came in for him.
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JEsus christ, "I've lost the argument so I'll change all the points".

Where did I say either Kompany prefered DM or should be moved there permanently, I didn't so honestly, shut up. Gallas is awesome at left back, defensively very very strong there, but he doesn't prefer to play there, yet Chelsea won games by shifting him out there when their left back was injured. Their second choice CB was stronger than their second choice left back, so moving Gallas there made for a stronger team.

Again you complained for two games about lack of midfielders, because you had midfield injurys. Do some basic maths, 2+2=2. You have De Jong, Yaya, Barry, Milner and like to play 3 central midfielders, 2 are injured...... you complain about lack of midfielders.

You have , as recognised CB's, Komany, Lescott, Toure, Richards(yes he played there and played well), Onuoha, Savic, Boyatta(yes, he's not there but thats someone else you could have had as cover and chose not to)..... are any of these injured?

So midfield you have 2 players for 3 positions, and at CB you have 58 players for 2 positions....... would the team be better off, in THIS situation, moving one of your defenders who can comftably play in central midfield? Yes, this is the answer everyone else on earth would give.

I no where suggested moving Kompany there permanently, so don't pretend thats the argument/discussion now, because its not.

Zabaleta, you said he barely ever played there, if ever and to show you proof, so I do, then you change your argument again and ask when he played their recently. As shown, he has played there, more than once, dozens of times infact, that I've proven, which you said wasn't correct. So yes pushing him into midfield would stop needing to move Kompany.


Your strongest team with everyone fit is Kompany at the back with De Jong ahead of him, with De Jong not playing Kompany is by FAR your best DM. The difference between Kompany and Barry defensively is FAR greater than the difference between Kompany and Toure defensively.

Toure wasn't immense so Lescott was brought in? No lescott was bought, he barely played, he was laughed at as being woeful when he did play and Toure only lost his spot when he was banned, up till that point everyone on earth, you included, though City's defence was VERY good and that Lescott was crap, rewriting history doesn't make you less wrong.

AS for Toure having not been played, he could have played at least as a sub in 3 games so far, you were 3-0 up with 22 minutes to go, and didn't give him a chance. Thats the thing about rotation, if you only do it WHEN injuries have happened, you end up with no match fit players stepping in, but again this effects all teams and most other teams are forced into this situation frequently, again for some reason you seem to think you shouldn't be forced into the things every other team in the world have to cope with.

You have options, this is my point, but you're pretending you don't.

Oh knows, De Jongs out, why don't we have the second best DM in the world as backup, what, put a perfectly good CB in at DM and put another perfectly good CB in at the back, never, that would make us like every other team on earth.

I also didn't say De Jong had Barry infront of him, though, he did, I said Kompany had De Jong infront of him, now he doesn't, the defence has far lower quality cover infront of him. Did you notice how awesome Utd looked defensively in other games, but with less good players infront of them the defence looked worse, and while Chelsea have never looked poor defensively, the same players looked far less good behind Mikel than Makelele.
 
drunkenmaster said:
JEsus christ, "I've lost the argument so I'll change all the points".

Where did I say either Kompany prefered DM or should be moved there permanently, I didn't so honestly, shut up. Gallas is awesome at left back, defensively very very strong there, but he doesn't prefer to play there, yet Chelsea won games by shifting him out there when their left back was injured. Their second choice CB was stronger than their second choice left back, so moving Gallas there made for a stronger team.

Again you complained for two games about lack of midfielders, because you had midfield injurys. Do some basic maths, 2+2=2. You have De Jong, Yaya, Barry, Milner and like to play 3 central midfielders, 2 are injured...... you complain about lack of midfielders.

You have , as recognised CB's, Komany, Lescott, Toure, Richards(yes he played there and played well), Onuoha, Savic, Boyatta(yes, he's not there but thats someone else you could have had as cover and chose not to)..... are any of these injured?

So midfield you have 2 players for 3 positions, and at CB you have 58 players for 2 positions....... would the team be better off, in THIS situation, moving one of your defenders who can comftably play in central midfield? Yes, this is the answer everyone else on earth would give.

I no where suggested moving Kompany there permanently, so don't pretend thats the argument/discussion now, because its not.

Zabaleta, you said he barely ever played there, if ever and to show you proof, so I do, then you change your argument again and ask when he played their recently. As shown, he has played there, more than once, dozens of times infact, that I've proven, which you said wasn't correct. So yes pushing him into midfield would stop needing to move Kompany.
Your strongest team with everyone fit is Kompany at the back with De Jong ahead of him, with De Jong not playing Kompany is by FAR your best DM. The difference between Kompany and Barry defensively is FAR greater than the difference between Kompany and Toure defensively.
Toure wasn't immense so Lescott was brought in? No lescott was bought, he barely played, he was laughed at as being woeful when he did play and Toure only lost his spot when he was banned, up till that point everyone on earth, you included, though City's defence was VERY good and that Lescott was crap, rewriting history doesn't make you less wrong.
AS for Toure having not been played, he could have played at least as a sub in 3 games so far, you were 3-0 up with 22 minutes to go, and didn't give him a chance. Thats the thing about rotation, if you only do it WHEN injuries have happened, you end up with no match fit players stepping in, but again this effects all teams and most other teams are forced into this situation frequently, again for some reason you seem to think you shouldn't be forced into the things every other team in the world have to cope with.

You have options, this is my point, but you're pretending you don't.

Oh knows, De Jongs out, why don't we have the second best DM in the world as backup, what, put a perfectly good CB in at DM and put another perfectly good CB in at the back, never, that would make us like every other team on earth.

I also didn't say De Jong had Barry infront of him, though, he did, I said Kompany had De Jong infront of him, now he doesn't, the defence has far lower quality cover infront of him. Did you notice how awesome Utd looked defensively in other games, but with less good players infront of them the defence looked worse, and while Chelsea have never looked poor defensively, the same players looked far less good behind Mikel than Makelele.
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I never said you did say he preffered it, i was just saying that you keep going on about using him there when he might not like playing there hence why he now plays CB?
You might want to do basic maths. 2+2=2? :o and i haven't complained about lack of midfielders. I thought before the game Barry/Milner/De Jong/Hargreaves and Razak were all out leaving us with Zaba and Yaya. I was wrong and Barry came in. I didn't complain before the fulham game. Mancini however complained after.
None of our CB's are injured as far as i know. Onouha will never play i dont think and was only listed in case of a food poisioning incident or similar :D
Well it wont make the team better off or Mancini would have done it. YOU might think it will. Mancini who is paid to choose the team does not. Who is right?
Toure IMO was not immense. That is just my opinion like you have the opinion that Wenger should be sacked and so on. He could have been but he wasn't. Was Mancini wrong to do this? possibly. Did Toure say he is not fully fit and needs more time? possibly. Stop saying things like they are facts eg that Kompany would be good in midfield, Toure would be good in defense whilst Kompany is in DM.
That is your point? You should have said instead of 500 word essays every time you reply.
Yes you did say that, re read your post. You might have meant Kompany? but who knows with you as you type that fast and "angry" that you might have made a mistake.
Anyway, the games are finished so lets just end this "arguement" as we are not going to agree and you will just keep posting things i dont agree with and vice versa. NDJ and Milner have been doing their own physio work and are probably back in time for the bench v Everton. Especially considering they are not needed particulairly for Carling Cup.

Sorry for the long post guys.

Truce DM?
 
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