Fergie always says Rooney needs a run of games to improve, the trouble is while trying to play Rooney into form either RVP or Kagawa will be left on the bench.
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Fergie always says Rooney needs a run of games to improve, the trouble is while trying to play Rooney into form either RVP or Kagawa will be left on the bench.
That's assuming we play wingers, we don't have to... but we will anyway.
4-1-2-1-2 ?
RVP - Rooney
Kagawa
Young - Valencia
Carrick
Back 4
GK
??
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That's assuming we play wingers, we don't have to... but we will anyway.
i'd bench rooney for rvp. rvp is far better player then rooney. dont u agree?
He's not unplayable plural like one of the Everton supporters said he'll probably only have a handful of performances like last night but last night he certainly was. I really dont think Anderson of all people would have done anything to combat him.
And it's not really anything about excepting or expecting to lose when Fellaini (or anyone else) plays like that it's more a case of dealing with him to the best of your ability, ride your luck and hope the opposition dont find the break through and bar one set piece that's exactly how the game was going.
A diamond? Possible, I suppose.
Or perhaps, something like this:
---------- RvP -- Rooney --------
------------ Kagawa --------------
--Cleverley - Carrick - Anderson--
-------------Back four------------
-----------------GK----------------
That essentially removes our width, but evidenced by our wingers lack of ability to get the ball into the box, and complete inability to cross, I think it may work.
I don't know about that really, it's a fitness issue at the moment. They both offer something different.
Similar to what Citeh do and it works for them but Citeh have better holding midfielders and that makes a difference.
Also you need your FB's to basically play as wing backs. I think it could work but it world be a struggle, that and Fergie always seems to drift back to 442.
I liked Kagawa but did no one else think he seemed a little in the Bundesliga speed, by that I mean when you were trying to attack fast he was slowing it down and taking his time a lot. His passing range and vision was very impressive though.
Also all the talk about Felliani, what about Jagielka? He was great.
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Its okay. we get it. hes a big lad.
However, does Fellani pass to himself? Can he beat 3 men with his trickery and speed?
the way to combat this is to close down the ball before it is played to fellani. we failed at this part.
Okay we arent going to win the ariel battle. Let him bring it down and then tackle him maybe? If he passes it off, why are we not marking the man he is passing to? no interception?
Its about tactics and using your bonce. Simply saying he is too big we cannot stop him is unacceptable at this level.
The difference was, when they passed it to fellani he could hold the ball up and do something. When we played it to rooney he basically wasted the ball every time he recieved it. he was so off the pace i thought he should have been subbed at half time.
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Well, City set up slightly differently to that I think, what I suggested there is pretty much a 4-3-1-2 with 3 central midfielders (who contribute both defensively and offensively), the full backs would have to provide width but I don't think they'd have to effectively be wing backs in order to do so.
As you say though, our central midfield options are still a bit dodgy so maybe that wouldn't work too well. I'm getting sick to death of seeing the ball out wide though and then nothing coming of it.
Hard to say really, I think he can play at any pace, it just depends on the situation. I thought he looked excellent though.
Yeah, the whole back four were very good for them.
I can't see Fergie not playing wingers so I think the only realistic way of playing Rooney, RVP and Kagawa is playing one of them either on the left or in centre midfield, so one of them will always be playing out of position.
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well if they both offer something different then why cant fergie play them both or does fergies system can only handle only one of them?
Yeah. Last night we started like this:
------------ Rooney --------
- Welbeck - Kagawa - Nani -
------ Scholes - Cleverley -----
I'd prefer:
------------- RvP ------------
- Kagawa - Rooney - Nani -
---- Anderson - Cleverley ----
That's with Rooney as more of a withdrawn striker more than an attacking midfielder, which is more or less what he does anyway. Kagawa isn't really on the wing there, he'd play a bit more inside like David Silva does for City. Anderson and Cleverley both have loads of energy and the 4 forward players should be able to create chances themselves, so we don't need Scholes pulling the strings in that particular sort of game.
I'm sure he will, he just chose not to start RvP last night (for the reasons previously stated). Even though RvP looked pretty fit, more so than Rooney. :/
That's if M'Vila is as good as people say he is.
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and if he changes his attitude. that is why wenger declined on the transfer a few weeks ago because of his attitude.
We as well as fergie dont want to recruit another "Song"(who if reports are to be believed was very disruptive.)
Fergie's said Evans is unlikely to feature (along with obviously Rio, Jones and Smalling)
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