Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [18th - 21st January 2014]

Clearly if RVP was fit and playing we would be in a better position, however if you look at RVP when he was playing , he looked tired and lacking in match fitness toward the end of each half...this can only be attributed to a different training regime...Moyes is responsible for this. It is a concern when RVP international coaches are blaming his clubs training for his injuries, really worrying.

Rooney is looking good, but if the reports are true he wants away then we are in a deeper hole..both because he is talismanic and who can replace him?

I don't think that Moyes and Woodward can sign the sort of quality, despite Moyes coming out saying world class players are queuing up to sign, I think that is just talk.

I will continue to buy my season ticket, continue to travel up to Manchester every two weeks and continue to shout my support like a crazy loon...but I think we are going to regret the appointment of David Moyes, I hope I am wrong and can look back and laugh at this..but I suspect I won't.
 
OldCoals said:
Moyes inherited a poor, ageing squad, to judge him after 20 or so games in ridiculous.
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He inherited a championship winning squad, with a mix of experience and youth that needed a couple of positions strengthening with the retirement of Scholes and the move into coaching of Giggs in the short term so that younger players such as Zaha, Januzaj and Powell could get match time and prove there worth. Instead we have an over reliance on Januzaj and Zaha wants away, and Powell loaned out. We now have the issue where injuries and players unsettled mean we may potentially need major surgery, either it replace these players or prove our ambition matches theirs

It is telling that the squad he left behind is doing better under new management than ever before.
 
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Castiel said:
our creative players..although the harder regime has helped Rooney enormously.
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Rooney is probably just playing his **** off to put himself in the shop window because he wants out. I don't blame him either...

Appointing Moyes proves his earlier point about United's lack of ambition as a football club. IMO Moyes has been appointed for all of the wrong reasons (relationship with those at United, personality, loyalty, steadiness) with the hope that he will gradually gain in experience and become a winner. I don't blame top players for not wanting to waste years of their short careers waiting for Moyes to learn some much needed lessons with the risk that he may never actually do, they will simply go to other top clubs who are intent on winning things right away.
 
^ Bingo ^*. Too early to sack but I'm still struggling to comprehend offering £30m for Fabregas and buying The Fro for £28m.

*Castiel
 
xibinim said:
^ Bingo ^*. Too early to sack but I'm still struggling to comprehend offering £30m for Fabregas and buying The Fro for £28m.

*Castiel
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Agreed, waiting so long so it cost more than the buyout was foolish as well. Knee jerk, 'must buy someone' decision making...bad business done in the worst way.
 
xibinim said:
^ Bingo ^*. Too early to sack but I'm still struggling to comprehend offering £30m for Fabregas and buying The Fro for £28m.
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It is bewildering isn't it.

Maybe he is not used to doing business with bigger clubs like Barca or Real Madrid, so felt that a low ball offer for a quality player, would suffice?

If Man Utd, want to get a top player in January (and not some goal keeper from Sunderland, which I believe was being mentioned), then they are going to have to probably break the British transfer record. It does depend on how "big" a player they are looking for and if Moyes has the balls to make such a signing (which I don't think he has - remember, he has a small club's way of thinking). If Moyes does spend big, then it may be a career defining signing - ie. if the new signing comes good, then Moyes will be good to for the next 1-2 yrs. If it goes pear shaped like the Big Hair Guy, then he could be sacked in the Summer.

Personally, I think the Glazers will bring in a big name manager in the Summer, as bringing in a small club manager, just isnt working.

For the record I think getting rid of him before the Summer would be ludicrous, with no benefit. Let him have the full season to show what he can do.

Everton used to finish 5th - 8th, under Moyes and that is exactly where Man Utd are, right now.
 
And this is why we shouldn't have appointed Moyes. When has a title winning side ever gone into the next season and done so poorly with pretty much the same squad. He is out of his depth, the squad doesn't want to work for him and his transfer dealings have been god awful so far.

Anyone with half a braincell would see that we need a couple of top players this window yet we won't sign anyone. We won't get champions league at this rate which is worth more to the club in prize money than we have wasted on Fellaini so why are we sitting on our hands.

We are going to end up as another Liverpool and Moyes is going to drag us down for the next 4-5 years if we are not careful and don't fix this issue soon.
 
Great win for us. ManU got a footballing lesson and they looked like a collection of directionless individuals. The rot really has set in.

Chant of the afternoon, "David Moyes we want you to stay, David........." :p

The ManU fans were holding a long banner which we couldn't make out, it was just above the pitch. Was it a protest?
 
Footballing lesson? They were the better team for large portions of the game and a lucky deflection and poor defending cost them rather than clinical finishing or being outplayed. You played far better against us a few weeks ago tbh but then you would expect Chelsea to raise their game against their rivals.
 
What a strange game.
Hazard, Willian and Oscar had their least productive game collectively for ages and one of our strikers had his most productive for ages, it's normally the other way round with us.
I was too far away to see the Rafael challenge late on but apparently it was a shocker, the Vidic one didn't look too clever either.
That's a handy little gap we've got over 4th now :cool:
 
Moyes needs to spend big this window.

If he doesn't, come summer, his targets will likely be

a) more expensive so long as they perform to their potential at the world cup
b) late arrivals as signings only really happen post world cup.

The set up is ripe for what happened to Spurs i.e. key signings having no time to adapt but simply having to perform. N.B. that doesn't excuse AVB, but acclimatisation to the PL can take even very good players a fair while. Then Moyes will have another half season of apologies.
 
Sad times for united fans.

I don't see MU being title contenders for anything for a very long time playing like this. We need our strikers back badly. Even then, its too late to do anything.
 
JohnnyG said:
You really can be a nasty piece of work.
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bit too far what he said but i think what would be more reasonable to say is how classy chelsea fans were with rafa compared to utd with moyes who is doing "bad" (putting it lightly) yet still backing him all game every match :confused:
 
dmcg said:
bit too far what he said but i think what would be more reasonable to say is how classy chelsea fans were with rafa compared to utd with moyes who is doing "bad" (putting it lightly) yet still backing him all game every match :confused:
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Ok.
 
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