Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [20th - 24th April 2012]

Key passes? i thought that was an assist in lay mans terms:confused:

I assume it means passes that lead to a chance on goal meaning (and I can totally believe this) that Modric is doing his job but is being let down by the poor finishing of Bale, Adebarndoor etc etc

I remember when Newcastle beat us 3-0 at their place and the whole world creamed themselves over Cabaye and Toite despite the fact that neither touched the ball or had as many successful passes that game as Giggs & Carrick did in our midfield....

Even in Modric's bad season he's still better than Cabaye
 
Surely if all the good stats line up with one player rather than another.. then stats mean nothing still?

Modric is a fantastic player.

Cabaye is a fantastic player it seems.

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How far in the move do you go to? I mean a lot of teams start their offensive play with the goal keeper.
Second Assist/Key Pass

A pass/cross that is instrumental in creating a goal-scoring opportunity, for example a corner or free-kick to a player who then assists an attempt, a chance-creating through ball or cross into a dangerous position.
;)
 
Key passes? i thought that was an assist in lay mans terms:confused:

Key passes are, afaik, the pass that results in a shot, so its "an assist when the shot doesn't go in" essentially.

However its worthless, whats better, two people passing sideways in midfield for 39 minutes and racking up 100 passes, then a pass forwards and a goal, or 2 passes forward and a goal.

Making lots of passes doesn't mean anything, key passes don't mean anything.

By the very definition someone gets a key pass if you pass 5 yards to someone 50 yards from goal, they see the keeper off their line and shoot and miss by 30 yards.

In general key passes are completely uninterpretable, how many key passes do players at Chelsea have when Sturridge players, he'll shot from anywhere, any time, for no reason. You could get 10 key passes from sturridge shooting from stupid positions, yet never having made a difficult pass in a game.

Assists are much the same, would Song have as many assists without RVP on the end of his passes? No, why Song have as many assists if he didn't make more throughball attempts than anyone else in the league, no he also wouldn't.

Stats can be interpreted, but looking at stats on their own IS worthless, and looking at individual stats is usually worthless, a few of the most important stats give a better picture than some other stats, but without seeing a player actually play and realising why the stats are as they are, stats are worthless.

IE I watch Song play, most of his assists come from the same pass, chip it over the top, he does this multiple times every game that go no where near Arsenal players, he tries throughballs more than Mata/Silva/anyone who all have more assists. His success rate with that kind of pass is very poor, he just tries more often.

If you ONLY took assists you wouldn't know this, stats + seeing why = a bit of understanding.
 
I assume it means passes that lead to a chance on goal meaning (and I can totally believe this) that Modric is doing his job but is being let down by the poor finishing of Bale, Adebarndoor etc etc

I remember when Newcastle beat us 3-0 at their place and the whole world creamed themselves over Cabaye and Toite despite the fact that neither touched the ball or had as many successful passes that game as Giggs & Carrick did in our midfield....

Even in Modric's bad season he's still better than Cabaye

Successful passes mean frig all I could get 100% if i pass the ball back every time.

Cabaye and Tiote for Dm's are not afraid to take a chance.

Their work rate is second to none most of their work is done off the ball which people like you miss
 
How far in the move do you go to? I mean a lot of teams start their offensive play with the goal keeper.

It's the pass that 'creates' or 'leads' to a chance, so if I pass you the ball, you pass to Moses and he scores, I get a key pass, you get an assist and he gets the goal.

Same applies if he misses though iirc?
 
I assume it means passes that lead to a chance on goal meaning (and I can totally believe this) that Modric is doing his job but is being let down by the poor finishing of Bale, Adebarndoor etc etc

I remember when Newcastle beat us 3-0 at their place and the whole world creamed themselves over Cabaye and Toite despite the fact that neither touched the ball or had as many successful passes that game as Giggs & Carrick did in our midfield....

Even in Modric's bad season he's still better than Cabaye

Lol Tom.

It should be called doing a ' carrick' ;)

:D

Maybe that's why Tom creams over Modric so much ;)
 
I assume it means passes that lead to a chance on goal meaning (and I can totally believe this) that Modric is doing his job but is being let down by the poor finishing of Bale, Adebarndoor etc etc

I remember when Newcastle beat us 3-0 at their place and the whole world creamed themselves over Cabaye and Toite despite the fact that neither touched the ball or had as many successful passes that game as Giggs & Carrick did in our midfield....

Even in Modric's bad season he's still better than Cabaye

Does this not tell you something, that number of passes means nothing... at all?

A team can be effective barely touching the ball, another team can pass all day long and never have a shot, passing more in no way, at all can be interpreted as "being better", it means one thing, you passed more, nothing else.

Think of two points on the pitch 30 metres apart, the aim of two players is to get the ball 30 metres further forward, if that takes 1 pass, or 19..... you've got the same result.

Touching the ball a lot, or having a lot of successful passes, when you get thrashed, should pretty much tell you that neither is remotely important in football. You can have a team who passes loads and does nothing, and a team that passes loads and scores a load.... neither is down to the amount of passes, but the style of play.
 
Be interested last game in league 1 for promotion between sheff wed and sheff utd. What are their fixtures Tummy? Also for play off places
 
Surely if all the good stats line up with one player rather than another.. then stats mean nothing still?

Modric is a fantastic player.

Cabaye is a fantastic player it seems.

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Some players are just more effective (for want of a better term) than others. Cabaye seemingly scores more goals but the stats say he's not nearly involved as much in the game as Modric is. This says to me there's a bigger chance of games simply passing Cabaye by (lol) whereas Modric makes himself involved a trait which makes him a better fit for the top sides and a better player overall imo
 
Be interested last game in league 1 for promotion between sheff wed and sheff utd. What are their fixtures Tummy? Also for play off places

Make another thread for it if you want to discuss it dude, can't take this off topic too much with Wednesday v The others talk! :)
 
Tis a shame, if Brentford had won today they'd have gone into the last play off place, but lost 2-1. Think that was really out last chance as its now a 5 point gap to a team with a much better goal difference.

Awesome season for Brentford though, couple players left, new manager, seen some great performances on TV against Wednesday IIRC ( :p ), Huddersfield as well.
 
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