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Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [20th - 24th April 2012]
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That's 1 Mickey Mouse Cup, 1 FA Cup and 1 Champions League (plus the Super Cup and Charity Shield) more than Arsenal since they won anything
Yes, that's exactly what was said and what we'll be saying. Dalglish has still won more in 18 months than Arsenal have won in nearly 7 years though. In fact, in less time Dalglish has won as many trophies as Wenger has in England (Dalglish has won the league more though).
It's nice to know that an Arsenal fan is so concerned about Liverpool despite their own mediocrity.
Dalglish is a truly fantastic manager and I sincerely hope that he leads Liverpool to further victories next season.
This one is down to the manager though, he bought the likes of Charlie Adam, Stuart Downing and Andy Carroll. He had an opportunity to completely overhaul a struggling squad in a downward spiral and instead made matters even worse. I like to see things from a manager's p.o.v as I think they get harshly treated, but no sympathy for Dalglish this season
How much say do you think Dalglish had in the signing of Carroll and Suarez for that matter? He'd only just been appointed caretaker manager when they were signed. Would you let a caretaker manager have the final say on spending £50m+?
edit: and made matters even worse? We were a few points off the relegation zone when he took over. How are we worse?
edit: and made matters even worse? We were a few points off the relegation zone when he took over. How are we worse?
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I'd be very happy for Dalglish to stay, he's a true great.
Indeed, no complaints here.
I think your squad is in worse shape now than it was when he took over. Players bought for unholy sums who you are stuck with (or take a 50%+ loss on them) who are no improvement. e.g. sell Mereiles buy Adam
Just the same as Liverpool fans criticising Hodgson and not criticising Dalglish. You're not doing 'far better' now. Given a year or more Hodgson may have improved also, so that's a disservice to him
In what way is our squad in worse shape now? We were better with Konchesky, Poulsen, Jovanovic, Degen etc? There's only 2 players that have left that would add anything to our squad (Torres & Meireles) and they would only be members of the squad too (unless Torres's form picked up).
Your Meireles/Adam example isn't a great one. Meireles was sold for nearly double what we paid for Adam and Adam's been no better or worse than Meireles was for us. Not that they play(ed) the same position though.
We most certainly over spent on Carroll and Downing though, there's no getting away from that. The negotiating of transfers wasn't Dalglish's job so I'm not sure how that can be used against him though.
Yes we are far better and given how quickly he was taking us backwards, we'd have been relegated so it's not a disservice to Hodgson.
And I'm pretty sure you'll find that Liverpool fans have and will criticise Dalglish.
Well we have different opinions I guess, looking at your form I'm hard pressed to think anything other than you're going backwards now at a rather fast rate. Dalglish is getting a much, much easier ride than Hodgson and some of the performances and results have been as poor as games under him. I'm sure some neutrals also criticised Hodgson too
Also, about the 'far better' I'm sure I read that the points per game is scarily similar and don't forget Hodgson is just a point behind you with a massively inferior squad
I'm certain that from the summer Dalglish had the final say on which players we went after but he didn't handle the negotiations. That's what Comolli was brought in for, to find the players, get the ok from the manager and then sign them.
Wasn't Meireles your player of the year last season and absolutely amazing or did I miss something? Adam is so far out of his depth at Liverpool that he's even forgotten to take a corner, about the only thing he used to do even remotely well.
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You aren't doing so much better and Hodgson got no support from your fans, at all. he also didn't spend 100million, he was given a tiny budget, got one "real" signing(if he had any say in them himself) and had a few million to try and get a few more.
The team is gash, if Liverpool fans realise it or not. In Hodgson's, from what I can tell, 20 games in charge(in the league), he won 7 games, Dalglish has won 6 games in his last 20, Hodgson drew 4 games, Dalglish 5, so Daglish's current form is worse, with 2 and a large portion of a third transfer windows and 100mil + spending to make a difference. Hodgson had one transfer window, a board with little funds, who had, iirc already wasted money on Joe Cole who wasn't a Hodgson signing.
Look at the timing of games, Daglish's second half of last season had no domestic cup games at all, and only a few european games, 4 compared to the ELEVEN extra games in the schedule that Hodgson had to contend with. This year Liverpool have a bigger much more expensive squad, more transfer windows and only 5 cup games in the same time frame, with 8 more since xmas to contend with as his form dropped off.
So Hodgson and Dalglish both show reduced form with more external games, except Hodgson had FAR more games to deal with, with FAR longer travel involved and with 100mil less spent on the squad, yet he managed better form than Daglish is during his "busy" period of games?
Shall we look at Hodgson's losses, Man City, Man Utd, tough away games and he had European games a few days before each time, two away games with a more tired squad and he lost, shocking.
Dalglish managed to win the return legs at home.... with big rest periods before both(around 10 days for both I think) while Utd had a tough away game at Chelsea before their Liverpool away game, and only had a relatively easy home game to Rangers before hosting Liverpool in the early season game.
Etc, etc, circumstances of losses aren't a complete explanation but randomly ignoring the fact Hodgson had, a smaller and more tired squad, much MUCH less time in control of the team, only a very small number of signings to effect the team(his turn around of Fulham for example included gutting basically the entire squad). His home form was probably better, 2 losses, 6 wins, Dalglish can't seem to win at home, has lost more, and drawn far far far too many.
Daglish both had the absolute and utter full support of every fan, has built the team he wanted, has spent a crapload, and has gotten exactly no further and hasn't faced the same level of busy schudule or travel from european football to cope with.
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Meireles was sold for almost double? Afaik he was about 12mil, and sold for about 13mil, in what world does that constitute double?
Adam's has been no worse, that might be the most ridiculously insane thing I've read on here, he's been better for Chelsea than Adam has for liverpool by a long shot, and he was a LOT better for Liverpool than he has been for Chelsea so far.
Which one is it mate? You just said our squad is in a worse shape now, now saying Hodgson was scarily close with a massively inferior squad?