In the world where Adam was half his price is what Baz meant.
Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [20th - 24th April 2012]
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In the world where Adam was half his price is what Baz meant.
Our results in the league over the last few months haven't been nearly good enough however there's more reason for optimism now than there has been in the past 2 years imo. I don't believe we're a bad side; on the whole we've played well this season but have continued to miss chance after chance and it's cost us. We don't need wholesale changes to rectify that. In fact I believe that we'll be much better next season even without making any changes.
And you're wrong if you think you read that our points per game is similar under Hodgson as it is to under Dalglish. If you seasonised (if that's a word) their points per game, we're about 11 points better off under Dalglish. It might not sound much but come the end of the season if you took 11 points off our total we'd be not far from the relegation zone again.
Some neutrals did criticise Hodgson though, most didn't and a few like yourself made ridiculous claims like we were better under Hodgson than we were under Benitez the following season and the standard of players that Hodgson had at Fulham were better than what he had at Liverpool.
You missed something. Meireles wasn't our player of the season. Lucas was (and won our award) by a mile. A 4-5 week apart, Meireles was pretty anonymous and went missing more times than not. He's not a terrible player but he's nothing special either.
Adam was brought in fairly cheaply as a replacement for Poulsen rather than Meireles though. And despite the criticism he gets, he's not done too badly imo. He struggled after Lucas's injury but he was being asked to play a role alien to him.
As for him forgetting how to take a corner; I mentioned a while back (and it's probably changed as he's been injured more or less since then) that at the time Adam had more assists from set-plays this season than any player in the league. His corners haven't been as good as they were at Blackpool though.
What I meant? I'm pretty sure that's exactly what I said.
West Brom ??
I don't know whether to be honoured or scared that you remember stuff I said a year ago! I barely remember myself
About next season, we'll see, if the players remain the same then you'd expect a small improvement, especially on your 2012 form, with another full pre-season together and more time there should certainly be some improvement, but I do think you need wholesale changes to get back in the CL, which is compounded by the rise of teams around you as much as it is your squad decline in fairness. It depends where your new owners want to be, and I think they want to be in the CL at least, and I'm not sure they'd be willing to make the investment needed for that (in my opinion you need 3 or 4 really good players)
About next season, we'll see, if the players remain the same then you'd expect a small improvement, especially on your 2012 form, with another full pre-season together and more time there should certainly be some improvement, but I do think you need wholesale changes to get back in the CL, which is compounded by the rise of teams around you as much as it is your squad decline in fairness. It depends where your new owners want to be, and I think they want to be in the CL at least, and I'm not sure they'd be willing to make the investment needed for that (in my opinion you need 3 or 4 really good players)
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I think that's rather a dangerous and foolish expectation to make. It takes more than winning the LC and/or FA cup to win the Premiership the following year. That takes perseverance and experience as well as a decent side.
Mickey Mouse cup
I joke, don't be hatin.
it's always the Mickey Mouse cup when another team wins it
I was just joking, I don't think Liverpool will win the league, very hard to look beyond City and United, rumours are that City have 1 or 2 huge signings planned (not hard to believe) and if they keep up at this rate they'll have a squad to match Madrid!
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Better to win the carling cup than to get to the final and loose it Birmingham.
I think that's rather a dangerous and foolish expectation to make. It takes more than winning the LC and/or FA cup to win the Premiership the following year. That takes perseverance and experience as well as a decent side.
it's always the Mickey Mouse cup when another team wins it
He's taking the ****, he thinks we're **** and Dalglish is **** and seems rather obsessed about it.
I switch between Liverpool and Spurs.
tbf it's not hard to see why, can't tease Wolves in good faith as that's like kicking a dead dog and Villa fans have enough woe with McLeish
When Arsenal were having a mare earlier in the season people did the same to Arsenal, just what happens
tbf it's not hard to see why, can't tease Wolves in good faith as that's like kicking a dead dog and Villa fans have enough woe with McLeish
When Arsenal were having a mare earlier in the season people did the same to Arsenal, just what happens
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I love Dalglish but he's been dreadful this season and I don't think he's the right man to take us forward. Football's changed but I don't think he has, can or will. Having said that, the difference between him and Hodgson is like night and day.
Before our very first pre-season game Hodgson claimed the most important thing about pre-season was avoiding heavy defeat. That's not a comment any Liverpool supporter ever wants to hear and certainly isn't something Dalglish would ever dare say.
During our Europa League qualifying campaign he claimed one of our victories, against a European minnow, was up there with the very best European nights at Anfield. I honestly don't know how he said that with a straight face but it highlighted how far up his own backside he was at the time.
His excuse for our poor form during his tenure changed from being the owners fault, to the previous managers fault, to the players fault to the fans fault. The media proclaimed him to be some sort of managerial god and he genuinely believed he was faultless. He appeared to care more about what the media and his peers thought of him than the club he was managing. Dalglish has proved time and time that he'll put himself in the line of fire to protect his club and players.
I like many supporters thought he was the wrong man for the job but he came to Liverpool with completely the wrong attitude and never gave the fans anything to get behind and support. Dalglish has made so many mistakes this season they're almost impossible to list but unlike Roy he wants the best for the club and that's why the fans will give Dalglish all the time in the world and gave Roy so little.
Before our very first pre-season game Hodgson claimed the most important thing about pre-season was avoiding heavy defeat. That's not a comment any Liverpool supporter ever wants to hear and certainly isn't something Dalglish would ever dare say.
During our Europa League qualifying campaign he claimed one of our victories, against a European minnow, was up there with the very best European nights at Anfield. I honestly don't know how he said that with a straight face but it highlighted how far up his own backside he was at the time.
His excuse for our poor form during his tenure changed from being the owners fault, to the previous managers fault, to the players fault to the fans fault. The media proclaimed him to be some sort of managerial god and he genuinely believed he was faultless. He appeared to care more about what the media and his peers thought of him than the club he was managing. Dalglish has proved time and time that he'll put himself in the line of fire to protect his club and players.
I like many supporters thought he was the wrong man for the job but he came to Liverpool with completely the wrong attitude and never gave the fans anything to get behind and support. Dalglish has made so many mistakes this season they're almost impossible to list but unlike Roy he wants the best for the club and that's why the fans will give Dalglish all the time in the world and gave Roy so little.
Hodgson had success before Liverpool and is now having success post Liverpool so you can't put it solely on him imo, just like now it isn't solely down to Dalglish. Both have made mistakes publicly and privately of varying degrees, but people were ready to jump down Hodgson's throat all too soon and I don't believe the fans gave him a fair chance like they have Dalglish.
I switch between Liverpool and Spurs.
tbf it's not hard to see why, can't tease Wolves in good faith as that's like kicking a dead dog and Villa fans have enough woe with McLeish
When Arsenal were having a mare earlier in the season people did the same to Arsenal, just what happens
Most people focus on supporting their team, others do not, that is the only difference between many people on here.
Oh and what is success for Hodgson? Shouldn't he be in a big job winning trophies with all these years of success?
I'm not sure it will take wholesale changes to get back into the CL. We've got the foundation of a good side already (keeper, back 4, Lucas, Gerrard & Suarez) and just need to add a couple of good signings to complement them. Had we had a finisher in our squad, we'd have been a hell of a lot closer to the CL places than we are. You look like finishing 3rd and our game against you at Anfield summed up our season; we played you off the park but somehow managed to lose the game.
As for the teams around us, looking at the situations of Newcastle, Spurs, Chelsea and yourself actually makes me more confident. It will be incredibly hard for Newcastle to replicate their form again, even without the consideration of more games due to being in Europe. What's going to happen at Chelsea & Spurs is anyone's guess; will either make the CL & what effects will that have on their spending with FFP, who will be their managers and which players will still be there next season? Arsenal appear to be in the most stable position but there's a huge question mark over RvP's future and given how reliant you have been on him, if he were to go that would be a massive loss.
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This is the kind of stupid thing that makes Liverpool fans sound so bitter and excuse making, Hodgson has never had success because he's not won a useless cup?
Different teams have different expectations, its as simple as that, 10th in the league is incredibly successful for one team and a dismal failure for another one, if you can't comprehend that no one can really help you. Hodgson has IIRC beaten Liverpool in 2 out of 3 games, home and away, despite spending what, 1/3rd of the wage budget, maybe 1/10th the transfer budget, that is what is called success.
Liverpool just spent 100mil, on top of an already expensive team(don't give me net spend rubbish, Liverpool are one of the most expensively RUN teams in the country, they should be doing significantly better than West Brom), a league cup isn't a very good return, better than a kick in the nuts, doesn't make up for not being top 6 or pushing for higher.
EDIT:- Are liverpool getting Euro football from the cup win whatever happens in the league? If so, I wouldn't expect a dramatic improvement, theres going to be a bunch of extra games to play, for basically the same squad, maybe a couple more players.
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Perhaps if someone had told Hodgson that he would've managed us differently and been more successful
Perhaps if someone had told Hodgson that he would've managed us differently and been more successful
When are they going to tell Kenny then?
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Get out!When are they going to tell Kenny then?
Excuse making for who DM? I criticise Kenny every week, Hodgson was ****, nothing bitter about it and yes we get euro footy