Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [21st - 24th September 2012]
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This. This. This.
Also; same applies with 'going down to get a penalty' I think refs need to start giving fouls regardless of if the player goes down like he's been shot or tries to stay on his feet.
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He swore on TV!!!
Gah I turned it off. What did he say?
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That Holden challenge was completely different, dangerous and a deserved red. Just like Shelvey's was today.
From Evans's point of view, how was it different? He's jumped in two footed with his studs showing.
edit: Does anybody know if Holden's fit yet? I've just had a quick look and it doesn't look as if he's played (other than the failed comeback game) since the injury. It's got to have been 18 months since the injury.
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No he hasn't. He came back last season but after one game (friendly) there were further problems. Shame as he's a good player, could have kept Bolton up!
Steve Kean is on the brink of going! A year late!
Should be confirmed tomorrow (Monday) according to the rumours.
I wouldn't go that far
Holden was/is a good player, could easily have moved away from Bolton to a better club.Regarding the red card incident, I am struggling to understand the constant use of "if ones a red so is the other". They were similar challenges but different.
Personally, although I thought Shelveys was the nastier tackle (with perhaps some question over his intent) I also believe that Evans could have had no complaint if he had received the same punishment.
The suarez penalty claim was very difficult to call. Evans seemed to get both ball and foot. I think it was impossible to be certain of (not helped by the players motion) so no penalty was the correct decision.
Valencia did indeed make a meal of the contact for his penalty. But it's clear there is now almost a cricket like appeal system being used by all players for penaltys. They know that if they play on, despite an unfair infringement, that they will not receive the foul. This has created a somewhat grey area, where it can be difficult to judge an incident and the attackers action in it.
As for the football, I thought Rio, Lindergaard and Rafael were all very good. The performance from the rest and the team as a whole was beyond disgusting.
Personally, although I thought Shelveys was the nastier tackle (with perhaps some question over his intent) I also believe that Evans could have had no complaint if he had received the same punishment.
The suarez penalty claim was very difficult to call. Evans seemed to get both ball and foot. I think it was impossible to be certain of (not helped by the players motion) so no penalty was the correct decision.
Valencia did indeed make a meal of the contact for his penalty. But it's clear there is now almost a cricket like appeal system being used by all players for penaltys. They know that if they play on, despite an unfair infringement, that they will not receive the foul. This has created a somewhat grey area, where it can be difficult to judge an incident and the attackers action in it.
As for the football, I thought Rio, Lindergaard and Rafael were all very good. The performance from the rest and the team as a whole was beyond disgusting.
Too much Mertesacker.
Also Silva is a lovely little player, but he's not Santi Cazorla, future champion of the earth
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Thought our entire defense was awesome all game. Really encouraging for this season considering our best CB wasn't even playing. Jenkinson looks a completely different player from last year.
Gervinho, said it last year, will say it again now. He is quite possibly the worst player i've ever seen play in th prem. He can't dribble, shoot, pass or tackle. What does Ox / Walcott have to do to get in ahead of him. And why oh why did our best finisher get subbed off before him.
Gervinho, said it last year, will say it again now. He is quite possibly the worst player i've ever seen play in th prem. He can't dribble, shoot, pass or tackle. What does Ox / Walcott have to do to get in ahead of him. And why oh why did our best finisher get subbed off before him.
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Well, Ox, yes, Walcott... is basically the same player as Gervinho, they'll both pop up with a couple of assists or goals against truly horrendous teams, they'll do nothing for 89 minutes and fluke a goal in the other minute. What did Walcott do when he was on, a stupidly long cross..... that was it, he was rubbish. OX is a better player than both, he's still raw, I'm fairly sure that based on his current end product he's being vastly over rated, but his overall work rate, the amount he adds defensively and his movement help unsettle defenses and create space.
Its rather odd that with almost no one except for Jenks having a solid game... that we so so easily dominated so so much of that game. With so few players being great for us it really does point to City being pretty woeful all around.
From what I can recall City went from what felt like a reserve team just before the transfer window shut in an attempt to get the owners to splash out, owners splashing out, putting out a team with every new player in with barely a minutes training and they looked crap, a Europe team with again fresh players and Barry looking unfit, not sharp and the team looked poor. Then yesterday they dropped Tevez who has been by miles their best attacker for a guy who has spent a month injured. Quite happy for Mancini to have a crap season and ruin City's season in the process, will be hilarious.
Personally I think Jenks has had, a better preseason, is a bit older, has had a full year training with better coaches, in a better enviroment, but realistically he had some good games last year defensively... our defence was just awful last year and that was 99% about who is ahead of our defence. I said in preseason last year, Jenks has potential, works hard, and Gervinho(despite scoring two) was complete gash as everything but the two tap ins was woeful
Last year Jenks had Walcott and Song helping out infront of him, this year its been the Ox, Arteta, Coquelin, Ramsey, the difference of being helped or completely hung out is obvious. The difference this year has been lack of the awful players, not an improved defence. A bad central midfielder like Song who consistently gave away freekicks, who tracked no runs and almost always did the wrong thing defensively and going forward can hurt every player in every situation. Walcott who barely tries when he's on the pitch anywhere. Ashley cole is a great left back, but he's rarely if ever left to deal with a right winger and right back on his own, its about support and organisation, you get the help you're a tight unit, you get no help and its 1 against 2 with almost no chance.
Considering for our defence we had Mert who did, nothing all game, Gibbs, crap offensively nothing defensively, Jenks, awesome at both and Kos, scored a goal, was no where for there goal and passed the ball to Aguero who should have won the game for them, I really can't see where our defence had a great game.
Its really ridiculous, we do zonal marking..... at which point EVERY corner against us goes to the area mertesacker isn't in. It's somewhere between hilarious and shameful, we bought a 8mil player on 80k a week to improve us at set pieces, then we went zonal so the opposition can choose not to face Mertesacker......
Mertesacker was useless because we LET City CHOOSE not to play against him at set pieces, that is unbelievable. If you have say, Lescott and Kompany, you have two guys strong in the air, both tall both physical then going up against either wouldn't be a better option... when you've got a 6'7 guy and a 6' guy, of course you simply choose to overload the area not around the big guy, its actually shocking how unbelievably bad managing it is to implement zonal in our defence. Mert should take their biggest player, simple as that, and our second tallest player their next biggest threat.
Ultimately, City have made a series of horrendously awful choices that instead of being a solid team in a known formation slowly intergrating new players and building off last year, Mancini has decided to throw the form book away, try new teams, new formations, mix and match, train a bunch of a different things and the team looks a shadow of the one last year. If they'd trained 4-4-2 in preseason and stuck with largely the same team with only 1 or 2 changes they would have built some form, played better and likely beaten us.
I can't help but think if Tevez was on instead of the not played for a month Aguero, he would have put that chance in the back of the net easily. Worked out for us, just, no idea what Mancini is doing.
Funny the situation at Newcastle how when Cisse was scoring last season Ba wasn't and now it's roles reversed, one for the Newcastle fans this having seen Ba for a season and a bit and Cisse for half a season and a bit who's the better player of the two?
Newcastle have got a good mix now. It's a good situation when you're not reliant on one striker and when one is having a dip in form, the other picks up the slack. They also have goals being chipped in from midfield as well with Ben Arfa etc. contributing goals.
Walcott is 10x the player Gervinho is, he's come on for 5 minutes at the end of a couple of games and you expect him to do what? If Walcott had as much game time as Gervinho he'd have plenty more assists and goals.
Gibbs was up and down the left hand side all game long, defended solidly (which is his main job) and linked with the attack well, always offered an option to help us keep possession and passed well, crossing wasn't great to be fair.
Mertesacker was very solid all round and got a fair few interceptions as well. I don't recall him getting skinned once.
It was Podolski who lost Lescott for the header not Kos. Can't disagree about the clearance which went straight to Aguero though.
Gibbs was up and down the left hand side all game long, defended solidly (which is his main job) and linked with the attack well, always offered an option to help us keep possession and passed well, crossing wasn't great to be fair.
Mertesacker was very solid all round and got a fair few interceptions as well. I don't recall him getting skinned once.
It was Podolski who lost Lescott for the header not Kos. Can't disagree about the clearance which went straight to Aguero though.
That's a shame, it only looked like a minor injury from the footage. Is it knee ligament damage or something?
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Gutted for Kelly. He's had a few problems with his hamstrings like Agger did with his back but now both are over those concerns they're picking up unfortunate injuries elsewhere.
I'd personally like to see Robinson given a chance although Rodgers has played Johnson, Enrique and even Downing ahead of him so I doubt he feels he's ready for a lengthy spell in the team just yet.
I'd personally like to see Robinson given a chance although Rodgers has played Johnson, Enrique and even Downing ahead of him so I doubt he feels he's ready for a lengthy spell in the team just yet.
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