Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [22nd - 28th December 2017]

You’re deluded pal. When it comes to growing old and talking about your career to the grandkids, what’s more impressive? Pointing at a stat showing that you’re the top prem league scorer, or showing them all your delicious medals from being part of a team recognised as the best in the world?
 
robfosters said:
You’re deluded pal. When it comes to growing old and talking about your career to the grandkids, what’s more impressive? Pointing at a stat showing that you’re the top prem league scorer, or showing them all your delicious medals from being part of a team recognised as the best in the world?
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''and here was my 7 th month in physio whilst my team did it all without me''
 
I think what cm is saying is that Kane isn't a team player. He only cares about personal records, not how successful his team is. Kane would rather lose 4-3 if he scored 3 than win 1-0 if he doesn't score. That's a terrible attitude if you ask me cm :p
 
cm1179 said:
so it's ok for united fans to point fingers when you were terrible the past few seasons? and let's be honest, it's the likes of spurs, arsenal, liverpool not being on top form that is making you look good. even you're not convinced. how many games have you won unconvincingly? spurs for one and as i said you've spent buckets of £ not a million miles off what city have spent i'd guess and city play far far superior stuff to you, in 2nd place
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apart from the fact Aguerro, KdB, Silva and a few others were already there (ie Pep had a much better starting squad), and they have spent extra in the last season or two for at least one if not two very decent players - Pogba has also been injured for 1/2 the season so far practically (2 months give or take) - ignoring the 3 game ban - Utd are actually doing pretty well considering.

Its also pretty obvious that Arsenal were actually better against Utd than City were, City just got two very fortunate goals that they didn't even have to work for.

Utd's board should have backed Mourinho with that 4th player in the summer, we basically haven't got anyone who can make a decent cross for Lukaku to attack (probably his best feature) - our defence is a complete sham especially without Bailly, and our CM options are practically non-existent without Matic and Pogba (and even Matic made some really bad errors last night).

We are still comfortably in 2nd , 4 places better off than where we finished up last season - admittedly dropping a few places in the last weeks due to Europa commitments, but 4th was looking marginal already by then


Unquestionably Utd deserve some of the blame for their inconsistent transfers over the last four or so years, but that's a natural problem - at least partially - when changing managers. I still think Blind, Darmian, Smalling and Jones are transfer experiments that have gone on far too long and they are all far too inconsistent for Utd and should have all been shown the door a while ago (and that's just the defence). Without DDG Utd would probably be right in that tight huddle of Spurs / Arsenal / Liverpool right now
 
CliffyG said:
The one where you got a penalty for nothing. He was diving before he even drew level with the player then brushed his thigh against him. No penalty and second yellow.
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wrong. it was a penalty. there was contact. against city last week, winks should have gone down when he was touched in the area and didn't, we didn't get a pentalty for it. if you don't go down, you don't get the pen. get with the times.
 
CliffyG said:
Contact does not mean it's a penalty, especially when it was Ali who initiated the contact.
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not always but in this case, it was a penalty. shirt pulling rarely gets a penalty but if you're commited, go to ground and catch the player, the player has every right to go down and be awarded a penalty
 
FrankJH said:
(ie Pep had a much better starting squad)
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That's obviously subjective, what isn't is the fact that Utd and City finished on level points the season prior to Mourinho and Guardiola taking over - I think it's fair to say that they had fairly even starting points.
 
BaZ87 said:
That's obviously subjective, what isn't is the fact that Utd and City finished on level points the season prior to Mourinho and Guardiola taking over - I think it's fair to say that they had fairly even starting points.
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I guess if you totally ignore KDB's influence on this season, you could look at it this way

David Silva has also made a significant improvement since that season

cm1179 said:
so you're the one man team
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Well edited - where would you be today if Kane had missed 1/2 the season so far.....in the relagation zone?
 
FrankJH said:
I guess if you totally ignore KDB's influence on this season, you could look at it this way
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Huh :confused:

I'm really not sure what your point is there. You claimed that Pep inherited a much better squad than Mourinho despite the fact that both sides finished on level points. Either LvG done a fantastic job to bridge the gap or maybe City's squad wasn't much better at all.

Yes, KDB has been brilliant this season, playing in a brand new central midfield position. He wasn't this world class central midfielder when Pep arrived - Pep made the changes and turned him into this player and it's that what separates what he's doing at City and what Mourinho's doing at Utd. They both inherited hugely talented squads and spent (in real terms) almost the same but Guardiola's significantly improved the players at City and is getting the best out of them - Stones, Sterling, Silva, KDB, Fernandinho, Delph have all seen huge upturns in their performance levels under Pep. I honestly can't think of a single player Mourinho inherited that he's significantly improved.
 
It's hard to argue with the above, I hoped Mourinho would change and develop the team over a number of years, but it's not looking good so far. If anything he's worse than ever.

I'm not totally writing him off yet, but we're slipping into LvG territory at the moment...
 
Austin has been charged with violent conduct, not seen it but sounds deserved. Given he's injured anyway now, any ban will be somewhat pointless unless they stipulate it starting when he's fit to return. Do they do that?
 
Robbo said:
It's hard to argue with the above, I hoped Mourinho would change and develop the team over a number of years, but it's not looking good so far. If anything he's worse than ever.

I'm not totally writing him off yet, but we're slipping into LvG territory at the moment...
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Agreed, he just seems like pessimistic drain on the team. I think he's lost it and can't adapt. 13 points behind City and we're second - that's hilarious!
 
doodah said:
Agreed, he just seems like pessimistic drain on the team. I think he's lost it and can't adapt. 13 points behind City and we're second - that's hilarious!
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After 17 games last season Chelsea only had 43, not sure after 19, thats just the difference winning 18 of your 19 games :p
 
BaZ87 said:
Huh :confused:

I'm really not sure what your point is there. You claimed that Pep inherited a much better squad than Mourinho despite the fact that both sides finished on level points. Either LvG done a fantastic job to bridge the gap or maybe City's squad wasn't much better at all..
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Or City under-performed?
 
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