Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [27 - 28th October 2012]

johnyccc said:
I think the referee has been given a rough ride following the chelsea match. Imo, the only bad decision he made was in not sending Torres off earlier. For the "dive", the contact was so minimal he could not be expected to spot it and so has to act upon the subsequent dive. The offside mistake is down to the linesman of course.
As for the allegations, the team of officials wired into his mic and the Sky footage should provide a pretty clear account of what happened.
If found guilty, he will be finished but if there proves no evidence to support the claims I hope Chelsea would be deducted points for such a scandalous attack.
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Check out Mikel's blatant block of Valencia late in the game - for which AV gets booked

Just as stupid a decision
 
Shamikebab said:
Torres dived, I can't believe that is even in question. I do think there was contact from Evans but the dive then followed it. It is possible for there to be contact and a dive.
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He didn't dive, it is possible to dive and there be contact, however you can't remotely say for certain it was a dive.

If Evans came out, tapped him, I mean literally tapped him on the shoulder and he threw himself to the ground, it would be a dive. But when you're running full pace in a straight line and someone pushes down the length of your shin then clips your toe, sorry that isn't minor contact. Look at Ashley Young, it wasn't a dive it was minor contact, it was MUCH less contact than Torres had. Tiny contact on a leg when going full speed, sorry the outside viewer can say anything they want. Anyone not completely kidding themselves knows that a tiny contact on a leg when you're running can send you down incredibly easily. The contact on Torres wasn't minor, it was like being tripped catching your toe on something that makes your leg bounce up.

As for people saying it was delayed, rubbish also, delayed would be getting leg caught, going on and diving 2-3 steps later. The contact was on his rear non weight bearing leg, his left leg was planted, contact occured... he took no further steps at all. If it was his standing leg, he would have gone down messier, harder, with a hell of a lot more danger and "sooner" relative to the dive. So what, that doesn't make it delayed, it was just contact on his other leg, so it was the step he was trying to take with the leg that had contact that was comprimised.

There was no delay, there was no dive, he MAY have gone down easily, he may have simply gone down neatly down to pure luck.

We're talking about a tackle that if that right leg was the standing leg, could easily have broken his leg, shocking tackle, clear foul, going down after is neither here nor there, it never has been.

"diving" as we term it, is going down with no contact, people dislike Suarez because most of the time he goes down with no contact or he forces the contact, those who kick a leg sideways at a keeper on their way down to "force" contact. Its creating a foul where there was none. Here there was a foul.
 
grimm said:
Notice that it doesn't actually affect Torres' stride at all. He chooses to go down after the ball runs away from him.
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I suggest you watch it again because you're very very wrong.

Look at Ferdinands legs for the reason why. Look at his stride, his trailing leg only goes so far up, but look at the angle of his foot, it basically gets as high as pointing his toe at the ground before bringing it back foward.

Now look at Torres's foot AFTER the contact on his toe, it essentially kicks his foot upwards, at that point his foot is facing almost backwards, his foot gets much higher and points much further back that Ferdinand. What happens 99% of the time when you get contact like that is, it flicks your leg upwards and when you try and maintain your normal stride, essentially your leg won't make it back down fast enough you won't plant your foot, then your face smashes into the turf.

That video shows WITHOUT QUESTION that his stride is completely comprimised and rather than faceplant he's either naturally protected himself by avoiding the face plant, or done it on purpose to avoid injury, or maybe he's tried to make it look worse.

Of course if he tried to bring his foot down, couldn't bring his leg far enough foward and face planted.... that would have looked more like a dive(and hurt more).

Basically at the point of contact on the toe that is when he should have started bringing his leg forwards to take the next step, what actually happens is the foot gets kicked upwards by Evans, so his leg is going fpwards and bending further rather than coming through for the next step, no chance he could have planted that foot, at all, the fact that he didn't go down in a mess on the floor was pure luck, it was a complete foul and no dive.
 
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drunkenmaster said:
I suggest you watch it again because you're very very wrong.

Look at Ferdinands legs for the reason why. Look at his stride, his trailing leg only goes so far up, but look at the angle of his foot, it basically gets as high as pointing his toe at the ground before bringing it back foward.
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ROFL it's Evans not Ferdinand.

Your whole point is now invalid, move along :cool:
 
As usual DM spouts a bunch of tripe to try and overpower other members.

Evans makes contact, Torres continues to run and then falls over. Torres' stride didn't change.
 
grimm said:
There was contact on Torres but for some reason he delayed his reaction and dived well after the contact was made. If he'd falled when the contact was actually made he probably would have gotten the decision.

The point is, the contact was nowhere near enough for him to fall, he'd missed his opportunity to go down, saw that he wasn't going to get the ball because of his own poor control/weight of the pass, then decided to throw himself on the floor.
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what contact? u mean the hair fibre coming off of each other's socks touched each other?

In that case yea there was "contact" :rolleyes:
 
It's quite clear from that gif actually, Torres just sees the ball run away and doesn't bother to put his trailing leg back on the ground. His actual running action/stride/balance is totally unaffected.
 
grimm said:
It's quite clear from that gif actually, Torres just sees the ball run away and doesn't bother to put his trailing leg back on the ground. His actual running action/stride/balance is totally unaffected.
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hench mimimal if not no contact was made at all. diver. great ref great decision
 
If it was even a bit of a 'dive' it's still a dive no? You can't moan about diving and then only punish 'some' dives, they all should be booked or none?

That's just me playing devils advocate here, we want consistency from the referee's, or consistent good decisions, so they need to book all dives or none?

If it was a dive, free kick to United and yellow card. If it wasn't a dive, free kick Chelsea (and maybe a yellow for Evans)
 
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He's just dragged his foot.

wheras Ashley Young threw his other leg up in the air after contact pretty unncessarily. Watch torres other leg, why does he just fall forward from it and not take another proper stride? thats the embelishment right there. he only half pushes off to continue running and just goes to fall on his knees.
 
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Tummy said:
If it was even a bit of a 'dive' it's still a dive no? You can't moan about diving and then only punish 'some' dives, they all should be booked or none?

That's just me playing devils advocate here, we want consistency from the referee's, or consistent good decisions, so they need to book all dives or none?

If it was a dive, free kick to United and yellow card. If it wasn't a dive, free kick Chelsea (and maybe a yellow for Evans)
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Good refereeing would have been to just play on, wave him up to his feet and talk to him at the next break in play.
 
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