Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [29th Sept - 3rd Oct 2012]

Fergie whining about stoppage time is really quite amusing, how many years was it "five minutes of extra time or until United score." It'll only take another 100 or more of these decisions going against Utd to balance out the injustice.

Talking of injustices during matches played at Old Trafford, here's a nice little summary of Utd vs Spurs PL history: http://thepremierleagueowl.com/tottenhams-refereeing-horror-sheet-from-old-trafford/

2010/11 – Heurelho Gomes mistakenly believes that a free-kick has been awarded after a handball in the box – the keeper subsequently puts the ball down to restart play, only for Luis Nani to opportunistically stroke the ball home into the empty net. Mark Clattenburg claims that he played ‘advantage’ rather than awarding the free-kick, yet fails to explain how an opposing side can score a goal during another team’s ‘advantage period’.
2008/9 – Howard Webb awards Manchester United a penalty after Michael Carrick goes to ground after contact from Heurelho Gomes. At full speed, the Brazilian keeper clearly makes a clean contact on the ball, rendering the impact with Carrick incidental.
2004/5 – Pedro Mendes shoots from 45-yards, and a scrambling Roy Carroll fumbles the ball a full two yards over the goal-line. Neither the referee or the assistant spots it, and play continues.
2007/8 – Wes Brown handles Dimitar Berbatov’s goal-bound shot on the line, nothing is awarded.
2001/2 – Mauricio Taricco concedes one of the softest penalties ever awarded at Old Trafford for a phantom shirt tug. The Argentine is also, mystifyingly, red-carded.
1998/9 – Tim Sherwood is hacked to the floor by Paul Scholes during the build-up to David Beckham’s equaliser; the incident happens right in front of the referee, but play continues.
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Icm76 said:
Talking of injustices during matches played at Old Trafford, here's a nice little summary of Utd vs Spurs PL history: http://thepremierleagueowl.com/tottenhams-refereeing-horror-sheet-from-old-trafford/
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I dont remember the last 3 but what's never conveniently never mentioned about the Gomes/Nani one is A- Spurs were already losing 1-0 and that incident occurred in the 84th minute and B- What lead to Nani handling the ball in the first place was Kaboul fouling him from behind in the area so it should have been a penalty and not a free kick to Spurs anyway

ScottehBotteh said:
By you ****** fans dinnae like getting beat do ya :D
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On the contrary it's nothing to do with the Man Utd supporters not liking getting beat but more all the those rival supporters who come out of nowhere to gloat or in the Spurs supporters case still bitchint about previous years rather than enjoying the moment
 
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For the United fans moaning about time added on and poor decisions. Take a look back at UTD vs Spurs over the past 10 years and ask yourself if you really want to go down that route. Because quite frankly it would be embarrassing for you.
 
DiCe! said:
For the United fans moaning about time added on and poor decisions. Take a look back at UTD vs Spurs over the past 10 years and ask yourself if you really want to go down that route. Because quite frankly it would be embarrassing for you.
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Tell me who's moaning?
 
Tom84 said:
Tell me who's moaning?
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I will take my arm back with that bite, cheers Tom.
People have been talking about how long you should add on for what not, its been mentioned, im not going back through the thread and quoting people, I am just making a point that in the past Spurs have had 0% luck at OT, and UTD probably did deserve atleast a point yesterday, but the luck finally ran out vs us.

Also for the "spuds" it is one of my most hated "pet names" for us.
 
DiCe! said:
I will take my arm back with that bite, cheers Tom.
People have been talking about how long you should add on for what not, its been mentioned, im not going back through the thread and quoting people, I am just making a point that in the past Spurs have had 0% luck at OT, and UTD probably did deserve atleast a point yesterday, but the luck finally ran out vs us.

Also for the "spuds" it is one of my most hated "pet names" for us.
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Only in reference to how it shouldnt have even been 5 minutes from a Spurs fan comment, which given the events that occured was actually a reasonable amount of time

No complaints about the awful 1st 1/2 performance from the home side.

Try not to get your knickers in a twist
 
nerve wracking game and i still don't know how we didn't come away with a draw but a victory is spectacular.

i just watched the motd highlights and fergusons comments at the end regarding added time were a a little bizarre. i'm sure there was far more to his interview and the bbc have picked it out for a reason but still, a little bizarre.

loving the dembele and sandro partnership at times. neither are anywhere near as creative as modric was but looking at bales goal, dembele holds scholes off and plays a solid pass which puts bale through. modric could've made the pass with his eyes closed but he wouldn't have had chance as he wouldn't have held scholes off in the first place.

rode our luck, defended well and got our rub of the green when it came to decisions. AVB has a good set up with that formation but we did sit back too much in the second half but united not being more clinical with their finishing isn't our fault.

any other united fans think kagawa could be a dud?
 
Tom84 said:
I dont remember the last 3...
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I didn't remember any of them aside from the ball far over the line, but the reaction from both side is quite amusing. Mainly from Fergie and his comments about not having a proper chance to win the match.

I say this having only seen MOTD highlights, but Utd's starting eleven wasn't good enough, particularly in midfield, and the damage was done before changes were made. It would've been nice if Fergie had just shown some grace in defeat, not said anything about the stoppage time and just made whatever positive comments about the good points of the performance, and perhaps even acknowledged some of the luck that has gone his way in this fixture previously.
 
Icm76 said:
It would've been nice if Fergie had just shown some grace in defeat, not said anything about the stoppage time and just made whatever positive comments about the good points of the performance, and perhaps even acknowledged some of the luck that has gone his way in this fixture previously.
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exactly. it was almost like a cloak for saying ''we should've been allowed to play until we got what we wanted''
 
DiCe! said:
For the United fans moaning about time added on and poor decisions. Take a look back at UTD vs Spurs over the past 10 years and ask yourself if you really want to go down that route. Because quite frankly it would be embarrassing for you.
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I didn't actually see the game so can't comment directly on the incidents, but what do previous games have to do with this one? Just because Spurs have had bad decisions against them in the past, does that mean bad decisions for them this time are fine? Are United fans not allowed to be annoyed because of past 'injustices' they had no control over. Games should be judged purely on the game and not on the decisions over the past 10 years.
 
united fans don't seem that annoyed by them tbh, especially not the penalty incident on nani but it just goes to show, decisions can go for you and against you over a season.
 
It's just so annoying hearing it as an excuse. A bad decision is a bad decision, regardless of it it's balanced out. The attitude that it's fine that a team got denied a penalty/goal etc because they got a soft decision in a previous game is wrong. I think it actually goes some way to papering over the mistakes referees make (yes sometimes they are heavily slated).

I'm probably just more annoyed by the 'Spurs heroes' rubbish that's going around. Yes they played well, but it has been clear since the first game of the season that United have been there for the taking, so it should be no real surprise. Just as it was clear that Liverpool were going to thrash someone sooner or later.
 
FrankJH said:
You were originally seemingly questioning even 5 minutes in your original post and with the Gallas injury plus the 4 minutes as indicated it should easily have been over 5 mins

So maybe check what you originally wrote as they infer different things :)
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Not a clue how you came to the conclusion I was suggesting that 5 mins wasn't long enough? :confused:
 
Icm76 said:
It would've been nice if Fergie had just shown some grace in defeat, not said anything about the stoppage time and just made whatever positive comments about the good points of the performance, and perhaps even acknowledged some of the luck that has gone his way in this fixture previously.
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Oh come on name me another manager that's ever said anything like that in the past? No manager is going to care about the decisions that have gone against the opposition in the past only the decisions that go against their team. I doubt many will disagree that United deserved something out of yesterday's game and its from that perspective Fergie will be coming from, supporters are different though, the smart ones will see Spurs' bad luck in the past and find it hard to begrudge them the result.
 
So Utd lose and instead of Fergie having a go at his players and their shoddy performance in the first half, he blames the defeat on not enough 'Fergie' time being added.

Nothing new there from Fergie i see, same old tired excuses being dragged out when Utd lose or do poorly :/
 
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