Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [4th - 8th March 2016]

FrankJH said:
Not playing in the CL next season makes no difference?

I cant believe you have even asked that

1) Attracting the best players is MUCH easier when the team is in CL (maybe Utd wont sign any anyway, but its still easier if you are due to play CL)

2) Potential for sponsors to reduce payments if Utd frequently miss CL seasons - and therefore potentially paying off the debt is harder)

3) With any squad, its better for the future of the club all the players get more meetings vs Barca / RM / Bayern etc etc rather than the 2nd rung in europe

With such relatively short careers of course footballers are going to chose CL teams above all else - and beyond that as has been seen this year the buying power of the PL as a whole has increased, so MUCH less difference between Liverpool / Stoke or who ever else affording someone and Utd - and that's only going to be closer /more non-existant in the near future
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1/ Media and fans think so, reality is money is the no.1 factor. Yes player careers are short, you take the best wages on offer. Usually the best wages come with CL teams due to the extra money involved and the bigger sponsorship deals. It's the money that matters more than anything and again players aren't entirely stupid and managers certainly aren't. Personal sponsorship is higher for Utd not in the CL than for say leicester or West Ham spending a single year in the CL. Agents know Utd will be back in it while other teams won't often be in it.

2/ who is talking about long term, one season won't make any difference in the grand sum of things. IF they spend the next 9 years in the CL, then the 10th won't make any realistic difference.

3/ meh, arguably a new and younger squad would be better off finding a winning mentality in the league with less games to play as well then taking that form into a run in europe. Ultimately again 2 games against a big team isn't going to make much of any difference to players.


Utd would have a better year next year with a longer summer(no early qualifications), more time with a new manager, more time with new players, more time learning a different system and more time getting fit before the season. Along with less games in the season to do more training between league games.

Utd will not go bust or into heavy debt they can't pay off. They won't lose sponsorship deals over it, they won't lose out on manager choice because of it, they won't lose out on players. Only naive fans think CL means more than money to the massive majority of players.
 
BaZ87 said:
I imagine it only applies to pro football but isn't there some kind of unwritten rule that unless it's an extreme case then the police don't get involved in what happens on the pitch?
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Probably because I doubt clubs want their multi million pound investments behind bars. There is a bit of a conflict though in that professional players are supposed to be role models but they can do stuff that the normal man can end up in jail for.
 
drunkenmaster said:
1/ Media and fans think so, reality is money is the no.1 factor. Yes player careers are short, you take the best wages on offer. Usually the best wages come with CL teams due to the extra money involved and the bigger sponsorship deals. It's the money that matters more than anything and again players aren't entirely stupid and managers certainly aren't. Personal sponsorship is higher for Utd not in the CL than for say leicester or West Ham spending a single year in the CL. Agents know Utd will be back in it while other teams won't often be in it..
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The very top players care about the CL, money is always 2ndry

Obviously City started attracting players with money and have built a good team but it took quite a few years (and some were gambles at the time)

drunkenmaster said:
2/ who is talking about long term, one season won't make any difference in the grand sum of things. IF they spend the next 9 years in the CL, then the 10th won't make any realistic difference.
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Tell that to Liverpool fans......

drunkenmaster said:
3/ meh, arguably a new and younger squad would be better off finding a winning mentality in the league with less games to play as well then taking that form into a run in europe. Ultimately again 2 games against a big team isn't going to make much of any difference to players.
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Longer you are out the harder it is to get back into top 4, especially with tv money growing ever larger - the difference with the traditionally "smaller" teams in the EPL becomes less . Again look at Liverpool

drunkenmaster said:
Utd would have a better year next year with a longer summer(no early qualifications), more time with a new manager, more time with new players, more time learning a different system and more time getting fit before the season. Along with less games in the season to do more training between league games.

Utd will not go bust or into heavy debt they can't pay off. They won't lose sponsorship deals over it, they won't lose out on manager choice because of it, they won't lose out on players. Only naive fans think CL means more than money to the massive majority of players.
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large presumption that Utd would get the deals done early - nothing suggests this would happen.

Its already been stated several times that Utd would lose Chevy money especially if they don't qualify for the CL several years in a row. Never suggested they would go bust, but less money coming in means less likely best players / more players will be bought. Simple fact of life

Its only those chasing money or those who still have something to prove that come to non-cl clubs - its not those already at the top of the game. Nothing to do with naivity

and unless we drop several places we still have Europa which means more matches compared to CL - so your last point is irrelevant
 
Unsurprisingly there are criminal cases in relation to onfield assaults. Just googling you can find cases: You have to delve back to 1988 to find the first example in the English game of a footballer being convicted in a court of law over on-field violence, Andy. In this case, Sky Sports' excitable pundit Chris Kamara was the culprit; 'Kammy', then of Swindon Town, caught Shrewsbury Town's Jim Melrose with his elbow, breaking Melrose's cheekbone in the process. He was fined £1,200 for causing grievous bodily harm and also ordered to pay £250 compensation.

Beyond that, however, incidences of convictions are rarer than you may think. While the likes of Gordon Watson (Bradford), Chris Casper (Reading), Matt Holmes (Charlton) and Brian McCord (Stockport) have all successfully sued opponents for horrific challenges, and others have settled out of court, the next instance of a conviction following on-field violence came in 1995. Falkirk striker Steve Kirk kicked the ball into a group of Hearts supporters during an SPL game at Tynecastle and, in doing so, struck a 12-year-old girl on the head. Kirk was charged with recklessly kicking the ball without regard for spectators' safety and fined £250, despite his protestations that he had only put the ball out of play to allow an injured team-mate to receive medical treatment.

A similar case followed during a game between Reading and Bristol City at the Madejski Stadium in 1999. Robins full-back Gerard Lavin responded to fans' taunts by thumping the ball into the stands. Supporter Mark Stevens caught the full force of Lavin's strike and fractured his wrist: the defender was sent off, and was later fined £1,000 for common assault and ordered to pay Mr Stevens £300 and the same figure in costs.

However just because every punch in the face on or off the ball is not dealt with as a criminal matter does not mean it is not a criminal offence. Additionally every time a player falls over following inconsequential contact is not always a penalty.
 
Tbh we actually looked better after the sending off than before it. I don't think the sending off has had any impact on us winning or losing this game. Nobody looks like they give a crap really, another crap performance against a lower placed team. Standard stuff really. I'm not even sure when our 1 shot on target happened.
 
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