Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [8 - 11th December 2012]

I guess we will agree to disagree because I felt that Atkinson got quite a few decisions wrong and had a poor game.

Again with the team who deserved to win.

On to Newcastle.

I find it bizzare that people think that Tevez's kick out at Jones is worthy of a red yet to fail to mention the challenges Rooney did and the dissent he showed too was worthy of a red but oh well it is finished now.

The kick out was certainly worthy of a yellow, which would have been his second meaning he would have been off.

I'm not surprised to see that you think Atkinson got quite a few decisions wrong, shifting the blame is natural when something doesn't go right ;).

(His only poor decision that would have benefited City was the Yaya run).
 
Why does everything have to be a petty arguement?

Two very bias rival fans have different out look on game, shocker.

What is it with you commenting on every little thing I say :o

I was asking a question because an hour ago Biz said a fair result would have been a draw nothing more. Now bore off and speak when you're spoken to.

I said earlier that a fair result would have been a draw even though we were the dominant team I don't think either team deserved to win as I said.

Fair enough, didn't understand that last comment though :confused:
 
I said earlier that a fair result would have been a draw even though we were the dominant team I don't think either team deserved to win as I said.

How do you work that one out? United scored 4 goals and City scored 2...

Last I heard in football the team that scores the most goals and concedes the least deserves to win.

There weren't 2 goals denied for City by the ref that I remember.
 
Oh yeah! The Yaya run, that was a stupid decision, guess that is down to Fergie's major influence over the referee's though :p

I don't know about Rooney, I'll rewatch the game tomorrow but I didn't think he did anything worthy of a red Biz, might have just forgotten something.
 
If domination and better football won all games, City deserved to win, over 90 mins they were better for realistically 2/3rd's of the game at least, maybe more.

But ultimately City dominated much of the game till Tevez came on, without scoring or being a really big goal threat....

Utd played well only in parts, and if that is really the performance of the season, that is nothing more than an embarrassing statement of how bad Utd have been and how poor the league is becoming. Utd sucked for long portions of that game, and while it was end to end, Utd went up the pitch repeatedly without looking threatening, the 3 shots on target being pretty key, they didn't miss a huge number of other really good chances. They got to the final third pretty easily from 30 mins onwards, but they did incredibly little when they got there. City were the same till Tevez came on then really had enough of the ball to win but outside of Tevez they looked clueless in the final third.

Utd deserve to win, not based on being better over 90 minutes, they took the few chances they created, and while they played at times some woeful football, it didn't cost them(which is City's fault, not to Utd's credit).

Honestly that first 15 mins was amongst the worst 15 I've seen from any team this season, had Tevez been on in that first 15, the game could have been over for Utd.

Utd put the ball in the net 4 times, City didn't, ask Wenger about possession, domination and better football, the team that scores the most wins. City may have played better in general and for more of the game, but they weren't cheated out of a result, poor refereeing made incredibly little difference to the result, including a potential sending off for Tevez if I'm recalling correctly and his kick out was really very late in the game.

City need a manager better than Mancini, and someone with more energy/better fitness than Yaya long term, or someone faster and with more quality than Barry to free him up from defensive duties.

Utd also need a improved manager, Fergie is past it, a team that all year has started almost every game poorly.... but for Mancini letting Utd off, that first 15 was truly and completely pathetic. Two counter attacks, helped by poor defending and keeping(but still high quality counters anyway), was all they could really muster till the final whistle. Its not good enough and its being widely regarded as one of their best performances.

If Utd keep going backwards, they'll struggle in Europe and struggle to build a really top team with an ever increasing number of really average players in the squad.
 
What is it with you commenting on every little thing I say :o

I was asking a question because an hour ago Biz said a fair result would have been a draw nothing more. Now bore off and speak when you're spoken to.

You're so cute :3
 
I thought we should have won by another goal (the legitimate one we scored), possession doesn't mean you deserve to win - ever. City were fairly toothless in open play.
 
I thought we should have won by another goal (the legitimate one we scored), possession doesn't mean you deserve to win - ever. City were fairly toothless in open play.

Was there any reason to not start Tevez?

I thought City have looked a lot better with Tevez and Aguero up top this season.
 
The kick out was certainly worthy of a yellow, which would have been his second meaning he would have been off.

I'm not surprised to see that you think Atkinson got quite a few decisions wrong, shifting the blame is natural when something doesn't go right ;).

(His only poor decision that would have benefited City was the Yaya run).


Kick outs, however minor are often red's purely because of the retaliation factor, Vieira getting a red for kicking out at RVN, who went down, despite being about 30 ft away(maybe a bit closer than that :p ).

It should have been a minimum second yellow though, but personally I think Tevez and City can count themselves insanely lucky to not miss him for one game, and quite lucky to not miss him for 3 games for a straight red.
 
The smart move would have been to start Tevez, unfortunately Mancini isn't really a smart manager.

Heh! I thought it was a strange move. Tevez is such a dynamic player, he really should be one of the first names on the team sheet each week.

I also didn't notice Barry was on the pitch :o

Maybe Kompany staying on the pitch could have helped City get something from the game too.
 
Yep, too many players on the pitch for City that contribute nothing. Kolo Toure, Barry, Nasri and Balotelli did next to nothing but get picked ahead of players that have been really important for City in recent years.

The freezing out of Lescott is one of the most bizarre bits of man-management in recent years, I thought Fergie was bad for having odd grudges. Then De Jong gets shipped out for peanuts despite Garcia and Barry being significantly worse in the DM role. Nasri is just ****, a complete gutless wonder who I'm delighted we avoided. And Balotelli... no other manager would put up with that but Mancini indulges him constantly.

Had Tevez started it might have been a different story. As it was, it reminded me of the United-Arsenal games from 3 or 4 years ago where we would let them faff about around our area till they cough up the ball and we go and score. Worked a treat.
 
I don't get the Lescott thing either, Kompany and Lescott became a very good pair at the back for Manchester City last season, no idea why he has been dropped this season.

Yaya Toure had a quiet game too, but I thought no Tevez was a huge mistake. Mancini isn't a very good manager, so I hope he remains at Manchester City :p Manchester City, with a better manager would or rather, could, dominate English football in a big way.
 
Yep, too many players on the pitch for City that contribute nothing. Kolo Toure, Barry, Nasri and Balotelli did next to nothing but get picked ahead of players that have been really important for City in recent years.

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Fraternal pressure perhaps?

Given how important Yaya was last season (and to a certain extent this season also, although perhaps slightly less than 11-12), Im wondering if Mancini is capable of doing anything to Kolo without upsetting his brother?

Others I completely agree with you however (SO glad Utd avoided buying Nasri)
 
I think it was a mistake to not start Tevez but then again Balotelli just always has the aura around him that you think he might pull off a performance so I can see why he started. Thankfully he took him off sharpish because usually Mancini would wait until the last 10mins and then bring on someone.

Not sure why it is so bizarre that Lescott has been dropped?
Nastasic is clearly the better footballer and that is what Mancini wants. Mancini has been looking to move on Lescott for a while I feel, I mean Kolo even gets on the bench/pitch ahead of him most of the time.

De Jong was sold because he basically couldn't be told by Mancini he would play enough. De Jong is superb at the role he plays but Mancini has been/is trying to change the setup of the team, you can see he started dropping De Jong last season and has now got rid of him completely and then went all out to get De Rossi who is the type of midfielder he wants. We couldn't get him so we bought Garcia and Rodwell who I think will be good midfielders for us just not at the same level De Rossi.

As for Kolo I thought he played alright when he came on, was a lot better than what I was expecting. I feared the worst when Mancini brought him on instead of Lescott.
 
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What has Lescott done wrong? What has Nastasic done so well?

Lescott and Kompany were very good last season together, it seems bizzare to break that up so quickly, espeically given how difficult defending a league title is.
 
I think it was a mistake to not start Tevez but then again Balotelli just always has the aura around him that you think he might pull off a performance so I can see why he started. Thankfully he took him off sharpish because usually Mancini would wait until the last 10mins and then bring on someone.

Not sure why it is so bizarre that Lescott has been dropped?
Nastasic is clearly the better footballer and that is what Mancini wants. Mancini has been looking to move on Lescott for a while I feel, I mean Kolo even gets on the bench/pitch ahead of him most of the time.

As for Kolo I thought he played alright when he came on, was a lot better than what I was expecting. I feared the worst when Mancini brought him on instead of Lescott.

I understand why he's not starting but he should be second choice at least. Toure didn't have a lot to do when he came on but he still should have conceded a penalty and was generally slow to react to danger (Rooney's second, RvP's free header in the 2nd half, Young's disallowed goal).
 
I don't know. Ask Mancini :p

I am guessing that he just want's to make the defence more comfortable in possession and Lescott looks like he is running across ice when he has the ball.
Nastasic is very comfortable with the ball and will always look to pass forward whereas Lescott looks to Hart, Kompany or the crowd.

Lescott is a fine defender and was solid with Kompany. No one can doubt that. Mancini is just trying to change it, I remember listening to something that basically said that as soon as a title is won Mancini/Italian managers will look to change it quite dramatically so that they stay on top. See our move to 3-5-2 whenever possible really as Mancini's indication this is what he is trying to do.
 
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