Greta Thunberg

I think the progress we are making already, always increasing renewable energy, electric cars, super efficient lighting / smart everything.

I don't think we need to do anything drastic, by the time it would be a problem I think the curve we are making already will counter it.

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The scale of the problem is huge, while small changes to our domestic energy production are brilliant we do need more drastic changes. We could easily stop importing mountains of crap from the far east, all we really do is make our CO2 figures look good because we outsource a lot of it to the far east and then people go 'whataboutchina'

Less flights, less car journeys, less pointless plastic crap but people dont want to change so they go 'whatabout....'
 
What about the 90% of plastic waste that ends up in the oceans coming from 5 countries in asia? CO2 isnt the only problem asia is causing.

Where did that waste actually originate though? Or is a lot of that Western waste that has been shipped abroad to meet our recycling targets and ends up being dealt with poorly abroad?

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...vows-to-return-mountains-of-rubbish-from-west

We basically go for a dump in the neighbour's loo and then look down on them 'cause their bog stinks and ours doesn't.
 
It's a tough one. While I agree we need to do more for the planet (plastics and killing our oceans because we're dicks ****** me off, and use more renewable energy in general etc.) but at the end of the day all our records only go back a small, if not tiny slither of the time this planet has been in existence. Look at the times before that. I don't think we should be morons, and do what we can to make sure we don't impact the change dramatically, and no one wants loads of species to become extinct due to human actions (well, I don't). At the same time, I do think she comes across as a bit of a ****. What the hell has she done? Or what does she know? She's allowed a voice, because god, we couldn't possibly tell her to stfu.
 
Some millennial saying that they won't have children until the environmental issue is resolved. Good luck with them. Darwin's evolution at it's best.
But it wont' take much some lunatic persuade the morons that need to mass suicide. Has happened numerous times in history. Let alone call for killing "the enemies".

The issue is that nobody is looking that she is funded by Soros. Yet she and her parents and close circle are running around with t-shirts promoting Antifa.

You should read this:

https://www.rollingstone.com/cultur...fox-news-michael-knowles-donald-trump-889557/

In February 2019, a clip of a bunch of elementary-school students getting chastised by California Senator Dianne Feinstein went massively viral. In the clip, which was posted by the environmental group the Sunrise Movement, the children urged the Democratic Senator to reconsider her refusal to support the Green New Deal. In the clip, you can slowly see Feinstein lose her patience with the children until she snaps. “I’ve been in the Senate for over a quarter of a century and I know what can pass and I know what can’t pass,” she scolds.

On social media, reactions to the clip were split into two camps. On one side, many criticized Feinstein for adopting such a harsh tone with a group of scared children, and for being so dismissive about their concern for their own futures. On the other, many accused the children’s teachers and parents of cynically weaponizing them for the benefit of pushing their own political agenda. The latter was approximately my view at the time the clip went viral: watching a group of small children harangue an elected representative on an issue I felt they could independently know nothing about made me uncomfortable, and as a parent I was unsure whether I would want to see my own child used in such a fashion.

I was in the wrong camp. I realize that now. And what made me realize this was seeing Greta Thunberg, the 16-year-old Swedish climate activist who drew widespread ire from conservatives after delivering an impassioned speech at the United Nations General Assembly yesterday. “People are suffering, people are dying, entire ecosystems are collapsing,” she said. “We are in the beginning of a mass extinction and all you can talk about is money and fairytales of eternal economic growth.” In her speech, Thunberg was soft-spoken yet straightforward, eloquent yet extremely impassioned. Her speech was covered by pretty much every media outlet, serving as grist for conservative trolls like Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, and the president. Such “pundits” attacked the 16-year-old for everything from her perceived histrionic tone, to her appearance, to even her neurological differences. (Thunberg is on the autism spectrum, and has referred to her Asperger’s diagnosis as her “superpower” as an activist; in a rare move of contrition, Fox News issued an apology after commentator Michael Knowles referred to her as “mentally ill.”)

Perhaps the most common allegation levied against Thunberg by the right was the claim that she was not acting of her own volition, but serving as a tool to promote her parents’ views about climate change. Over and over, the consensus on the right was that a teenage girl could not possibly come to her own conclusion about the climate crisis without being indoctrinated by her parents — or, as Carlson put it, Thunberg was an example of the left using “children to demand power.” As the Parkland kids proved last year, of all the gripes the right has about the left — that they are elitist and privileged, that they eschew the values of the working class in favor of Hamilton singalongs and gender-neutral bathrooms and trigger warnings — nothing makes them **** their diapers more than seeing a child espouse left-wing talking points, be it about reproductive freedoms or gun control or, in this case, the right not to have our homes and loved ones consumed by rising sea levels.

In many ways, this argument was an expertly crafted hybrid two of the most common strains of right-wing thought: the paranoia-fueled idea that positive media coverage in any form, particularly of a prominent young woman, is the result of a vast left-wing conspiracy; as well as the cynical belief that anyone who appears to exhibit anything other than Ayn Randian self-interest must be either a propaganda tool, or motivated by less than altruistic principles. But it also happens to be wrong, for reasons that go far beyond Thunberg. There is a long, long history of children in activism, with many risking their own welfare to put themselves on the front lines for their beliefs.
 
I have to laugh at those that say children are not fighting climate change, they may not be out there doing important research or making massive changes, however, they are raising awareness which is better than ignoring it.

There are only 2 ways we can fighting human-created climate change (as I'm ignoring anything that is a natural occurrence we have no control over), one is technology and the other population control via limiting births or genocide on a massive scale.

We won't give up cars or comfortable living, tech can make what we do more energy-efficient and greener. Tech improvements would need to be shared freely and across all continents for it to have the impact required, no point developing the tech and keeping to only those that can afford it.

Mass genocide via targetted DNA attacks to cause death or destroy reproductive capabilities in the local population would also work.
 
Does seem futile to change behaviours unless we address population growth at the same time. Not sure mass genocide is the right solution though!
 
If sea level rises were a real near threat, why do banks and financial lenders keep lending money to developers in areas that are predicted to go under water, surely they'd forecast that into their risk assessments?

I remember doomsdayer Al Gore saying by 2014 the ice caps would melt and now look, even Greenlands glaciers are growing

I can't believe i am replying to the guy who believes Pizza Gate is a real thing, but this was just announced at the U.N

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49817804

From mountain top to ocean deep, climate change is devastating our seas and frozen regions as never before.

Scientists on a UN panel report today that the waters are rising, the ice is melting, and species are moving, due to human activities.

In a vicious twist, the loss of permanently frozen lands to warming threatens to unleash ever more carbon.

There is some guarded hope that the worst impacts can be avoided, with deep and immediate cuts to carbon emissions.

This is the third in a series of special reports that have been produced by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) over the past 12 months.

The scientists previously looked at how the world would cope if temperatures rose by 1,5C by the end of this century. They also reported on how the lands of the Earth would be affected by climate change.

However, this new study, looking at the impact of rising temperatures on our oceans and frozen regions, is perhaps the most worrying and depressing of the three.

(Read the link to see the whole article)
 
I'd like to think she's genuine but the fact she keeps pausing her acting emotional face pulling, to read her script notes again just makes the whole thing look a fad.

If she was that passionate about it she'd be raging and would just go off on one, there would be no pausing, no notes, she'd have it all ready in her head. It all looks fake to me.

What she speaks of is a problem though, I'm not disputing that, but she's a puppet IMO.
 
I'd like to think she's genuine but the fact she keeps pausing her acting emotional face pulling, to read her script notes again just makes the whole thing look a fad.

If she was that passionate about it she'd be raging and would just go off on one, there would be no pausing, no notes, she'd have it all ready in her head. It all looks fake to me.

What she speaks of is a problem though, I'm not disputing that, but she's a puppet IMO.

So if you were giving a speech you wouldn't prepare notes?
 
The scale of the problem is huge, while small changes to our domestic energy production are brilliant we do need more drastic changes. We could easily stop importing mountains of crap from the far east, all we really do is make our CO2 figures look good because we outsource a lot of it to the far east and then people go 'whataboutchina'

Less flights, less car journeys, less pointless plastic crap but people dont want to change so they go 'whatabout....'

There's a total lack of ambition within this post. People don't want less flights and less access to personal transport, people want to buy cheap goods from abroad. The solution isn't to stop all those things. The solution is to come up with technology that allows us to do those things without the dramatic impact to the environment, which is what a lot of technology companies are doing.
 
I'd like to think she's genuine but the fact she keeps pausing her acting emotional face pulling, to read her script notes again just makes the whole thing look a fad.

If she was that passionate about it she'd be raging and would just go off on one, there would be no pausing, no notes, she'd have it all ready in her head. It all looks fake to me.

What she speaks of is a problem though, I'm not disputing that, but she's a puppet IMO.
You want her to just riff a speech to world leaders at the UN summit?

Look, if you just don't agree with her, just say so. Don't try to justify with bull-crap like this - you just look foolish
 
There's a total lack of ambition within this post. People don't want less flights and less access to personal transport, people want to buy cheap goods from abroad. The solution isn't to stop all those things. The solution is to come up with technology that allows us to do those things without the dramatic impact to the environment, which is what a lot of technology companies are doing.

People dont want... Exactly and thats the crux of the problem, people dont want to change. By the time all this innovation makes things less polluting the planet would be a wasteland.

I would but if it was something I'd so far dedicated my life too and was extremely passionate about, I'd have known what to say.

It wasn't exactly a 30 minute presentation.

She is presenting a speech to the UN, not standing up in a pub. I would expect anybody to have notes its hardly a conspiracy.
 
Laughable that people think a 16 year old addressing World leaders in the ******* UN should just be able to just reel off a speech from her head.

Presenting in front of a class of 25 other people that I know was terrifying for me at that age, let alone sailing to a foreign country and talking to 1000's in attendance and millions (billions?) on TV.
 
Hands up who doesn't like clean water and oxygen.

Evidently quite a few people!

Socialism doesn't have a good track record of providing either clean water or air for people living in countries under its sway.

Greta's speeches, like most environmentalists, are mostly full of petulant demands whilst being rather sketchy in how these demands would be implemented in the (short) time frames insisted upon....

But make no mistake Greta is advocating for socialism.

Greta said:

We have seen what happens when people imagine they can radically change politics to a form not previously in existence or one previously tried with repeated failures.

Serious soloutions require working within current democratic market economies. Not surrendering liberty and likey the aims themselves to the guaranteed failure of a command economy

People forget that if Marx existed today he would likely be pushing his particular type of envisioned command economy as the saviour of the environment. In Marx's time there wasn't so much of a globalised view of human caused environmental destruction/ degradation. But he was very concerned by what he saw and incorrectly thought the result of capitalism and implicitly suggests his system was the solution.

all progress in capitalistic agriculture is a progress in the art, not only of robbing the labourer, but of robbing the soil; all progress in increasing the fertility of the soil for a given time, is a progress towards ruining the lasting sources of that fertility.

– Karl Marx, Capital vol 1

Of course we all should known how his ideas in put into practice affected the environment...…. and here for example

More recently we can see the example of Venezuela we're Chavez insisted that climate change is an existential crisis caused by capitalism but then presided over a system were heavy crude oil extraction was used to prop up the inevitably corrupt regime that socialism entails all whilst doing very little to diversify the economy away from hydro carbon extraction and ensuring that places like lake Lake Maracaibo became toxic hellscapes of the sort that would never be permitted in a democratic market economy.

Greta is a very good example of both a useful idiot and an abused vulnerable child.

When she hits adulthood and her current celebrity status likely starts to wain I don't predict a great future for her what with her having some rather chronic anxiety and other mental health issues and with little formal higher education because she skipped all that to lecture either gullible of duplicitous adults.
 
You want her to just riff a speech to world leaders at the UN summit?

Look, if you just don't agree with her, just say so. Don't try to justify with bull-crap like this - you just look foolish

I didn't say I don't agree with her, in fact I said the opposite, I'm on her side...

I just didn't buy her speech, it was very dramatic and just seemed like acting to me. It's my opinion only, I may be wrong I may be right....Who cares.
 
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