Greta Thunberg

I absolutely 100% believe in Climate Change and I absolutely 100% can't stand her and think its doing doing far more damage than good having a petulant child scream at world leaders.

I feel genuinely sorry for her that she's been thrust into being a propaganda mouth-peace rather than being a kid enjoying life and I think her parents are doing a terrible job.

You want people to change they ways, don't scream in the faces. You want people to take notice, you get experts to tell people, not a child unless you're trying to emotionally blackmail people, which most people can see straight through.
 
ianh said:
I absolutely 100% believe in Climate Change and I absolutely 100% can't stand her and think its doing doing far more damage than good having a petulant child scream at world leaders.

I feel genuinely sorry for her that she's been thrust into being a propaganda mouth-peace rather than being a kid enjoying life and I think her parents are doing a terrible job.

You want people to change they ways, don't scream in the faces. You want people to take notice, you get experts to tell people, not a child unless you're trying to emotionally blackmail people, which most people can see straight through.
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I think we've all tried the "expert to tell people" way for decades, nobody takes notice and people just think it's fake news, or never makes it to the news.

At least she makes headlines and actually makes the news, is it cringe? A little bit, but is it getting attention? Absolutely.
 
Honestly it’s refreshing to see a kid scream at adults for something as important as climate change.

All our lives we as kids are being shouted at ie do this, do that, don’t do that etc etc.

So why is it such a bad thing that a kid calls out the world and says how dare you ruin their future?? No one pays attention to the experts who constantly tell us we are destroying the world. Maybe a kid screaming at the world to do something, might just make a small change to people’s attitudes.
 
Rotty said:
I know I'm not the youngest on here but just wtf is that? I do hope there is some underlying joke that's lost on me
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A model/actress posting about climate change/jumping on the support Greta bandwagon while simultaneously being among the biggest individual offenders.... people who pop up on Instagram in various different countries throughout the year are regularly pictured on private jets/mega yachts requiring tens of thousands in jet fuel/diesel to be burned each time etc... telling others to worry about the environment just seems so bizarre.

I mean I doubt Greta would approve of anything they do, she'd likely shout at them... yet there they are, jumping on the latest trend while not actually caring to take any action themselves.
 
Raymond Lin said:
Keep digging.
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Look Raymond its up to you whether you want others to view you as someone with something potentially meaningful to say about topics. Or if you wish to be seen as a superficial emoter.

Your initial post was...

Hands up who doesn't like clean water and oxygen.

Evidently quite a few people!
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Suggesting that thoose who are not critical of the 'message' Greta is pushing either want to make access to these things worse or at least don't care...

Its pointed out to you that we have actually seen radical improvements without the authoritarian command economy Greta suggests we need and you have basically nothing of substance to reply with?

In the case of water it is only because of market driven innovation that so many people do currently have access to clean water. Air pollution is trickier and after making great improvements to the smog plagued European cities of the 1950's (and before back to the start of the industrial revolution) progress has been less drastic but the smaller solutions are there and don't requires radical 'new forms of goverment'.

Compound this with the fact that we have seen, repeatedly, what the outcomes are when people try to intruduce 'radical' forms of goverment 'supposedly' not tried before (because ever socialist thinks they have the 'right' form of socialism never tred before which is why it always failed in the past) which includes mass pollution and environmental degradation on scales not seen in freemarket economies and we an see what a Croc of **** we are being provided with.



Raymond Lin said:
I love it though, it brings out the worst in people and they ALL show themselves and then put a massive flag on their head.
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Its really ironic seeing you lecturing us and having a go at other posters on a thread about the environment.....

Because even a casual look at some of your other content here demonstrates that you like to make a bit of a thing about you apparently fairly frequent trips around the world taking photos and whatnot?

I haven't been in plane in over five years. How many flights have you taken in that time?
 
rubberduck said:
Probably just a narcassist and likes being a spoiled brat in front of lots of ppl. What do you reckon?
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Couldn't agree more. How did this all start? With her bunking off school to protest about the environment in town.

Yet what about the other girl in the news of a similar age? The one that was bullied, called 'trash girl', because she quietly picked up litter to and from school.
 
ianh said:
I absolutely 100% believe in Climate Change and I absolutely 100% can't stand her and think its doing doing far more damage than good having a petulant child scream at world leaders.

I feel genuinely sorry for her that she's been thrust into being a propaganda mouth-peace rather than being a kid enjoying life and I think her parents are doing a terrible job.

You want people to change they ways, don't scream in the faces. You want people to take notice, you get experts to tell people, not a child unless you're trying to emotionally blackmail people, which most people can see straight through.
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^^^ pretty much this.

I think the evidence for climate change and mankind contribution to is seems pretty clear. I take public transport where possible, I don't fly too often, I do recycle most things I don't eat much junk food, I've reduced my meat consumption (I'm not going vegan and I don't think it is necessary but I do think that animal welfare standards should be ramped up and meat prices ought to rise/ought to become a luxury again - I also think fast food/cheap chicken places ought to become more expensive and healthier options promoted more/given tax breaks etc..). I keep my clothes for a long time, I hate the fact jeans often wear out though I've been repairing them etc...

The thing is this girl is being used, she's just a figurehead and is being used to promote other agendas - anti capitalism etc.. shouting at previous generations isn't necessarily the right thing either - if anything they used less.

For example my Nana didn't have a car in her household when she was younger, she recycled regularly back when I was a little kid, she used to go on cycling holidays across Europe when she was younger as that is what they could afford... no budget flights/Ryan air available then.

Also we used to have milk floats - WTF happened to them, very few of them left, way ahead of their time - a home delivery service using an electric vehicle and the packaging (milk bottle) can not only be recycled but can be done so with minimal effort - it is just washed and reused. At most the only waste is the small foil cap but that can be recycled too IIRC. We're going to come full circle eventually when the likes of Amazon adopt electric vehicles, hopefully they can change some packaging too... bring back the milk bottle and stop wasting plastic (it isn't just the CO2 that is the issue here but the waste/issues with recycling of plastics etc..).
 
Raymond Lin said:
You mean my claim that everyone likes clean water and oxygen?

You want to disagree and be voluntary on the first person not to have oxygen?
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Come on I'm talking about your implied suggestion that opposition to Greta 'message' meant people either didn't care on wanted to make things worse.

Almost everyone wants access to clean water and air for them and the people around them.

I am saying they that what Greta is advocating for, in practice, will not make things better and based on past attempts is likely to make things substantially worse.

I don't doubt that she is sincere in her convictions.

But what she advocates for:

A rapid and 'radical' change to a 'new' type of politics....

.... has been tried repeatedly before.

The last century is littered with attempts do do this that ended in calamity and death (with environmental degradation being an also common theme)

I fully accept the issues humanity faces around sustainablilty and our impact on the enviroment.

However I think the better solution are rather different . And include, but are not limited to things like....

* acceptance that nuclear fission based power generation will need to be expanded and this should be coupled with lots of incentives to innovate safer and more efficient reactors (with a drive to try and get nuclear fusion power generation viable of this is possible)

* maintain efforts to try to stabilise the world population and seek then to slowly reduce it.

* seek in general to have more funding put into research and development of new technologies. Historically it has always been technological innovation that has driven humanity through supposed looming disaster scenarios (like malthusian starvation scenarios averted as farming techniques and tech improved)
 
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Rather bizarrely Raymond Lin maintains a location stating: "Wish I was in New York" which is in the top ten of the hundreds of US cities for air pollution and here he is talking of clean air.... ;)

As for Greta, well she is a child and has mental health issues, so I have to cut her some slack. Do I take note of her ululations? No more than I do the bin man discussing at volume what the weather is like today.
 
Caracus2k said:
Come on I'm talking about your implied suggestion that opposition to Greta 'message' meant people either didn't care on wanted to make things worse.

Almost everyone wants access to clean water and air for them and the people around them.

I am saying they that what Greta is advocating for, in practice, will not make things better and based on past attempts is likely to make things substantially worse.

I don't doubt that she is sincere in her convictions.

But what she advocates for:

A rapid and 'radical' change to a 'new' type of politics....

.... has been tried repeatedly before.

The last century is littered with attempts do do this that ended in calamity and death (with environmental degradation being an also common theme)

I fully accept the issues humanity faces around sustainablilty and our impact on the enviroment.

However I think the better solution are rather different . And include, but are not limited to things like....

* acceptance that nuclear fission based power generation will need to be expanded and this should be coupled with lots of incentives to innovate safer and more efficient reactors (with a drive to try and get nuclear fusion power generation viable of this is possible)

* maintain efforts to try to stabilise the world population and seek then to slowly reduce it.

* seek in general to have more funding put into research and development of new technologies. Historically it has always been technological innovation that has driven humanity through supposed looming disaster scenarios (like malthusian starvation scenarios averted as farming techniques and tech improved)
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look, another massive rant.

get a grip man!
 
Raymond Lin said:
At least she makes headlines and actually makes the news, is it cringe? A little bit, but is it getting attention? Absolutely.
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.....and is that attention all positive and making people voluntarily change their entire lifestyle?

No, not even a little. People are reacting badly to a "know nothing" child lecturing them on things that she has zero expertise in.

"What" she wants is a better planet which is a fantastic thought to put forward, Well Done Greta!

"How" she wants to do it however would be horrific for the Western world and thats not advertised anywhere near as much as her "What" is.

I also can't help but notice that her "How" doesn't involve India or China, just the good old Western world, and effectively she wants us to return to a "pre-industrial time" of almost zero industry and with a very socialist mindset towards the population left alive, which again puts her at odds with the vast majority of the Western worlds population.

So again, I 100% agree with Climate Change and think Greta is the absolute worst thing to happen to the debate. At least when genuine experts discussed this there was debate, now there's a child screaming and an audience with their back up ignoring the issue purely because no-one important enough to actually make changes wants to listen to this child.
 
Maybe she is reverse psychologying couples that are planing or undecided on having kids into not having them by showing how annoying kids are.

Going on school strikes? I mean seriously.
I sound like a stuck record in this thread but until the big 3 agree a plan, it's time to invest in sandbags and watercraft.
 
ianh said:
.....and is that attention all positive and making people voluntarily change their entire lifestyle?

No, not even a little. People are reacting badly to a "know nothing" child lecturing them on things that she has zero expertise in.

"What" she wants is a better planet which is a fantastic thought to put forward, Well Done Greta!

"How" she wants to do it however would be horrific for the Western world and thats not advertised anywhere near as much as her "What" is.

I also can't help but notice that her "How" doesn't involve India or China, just the good old Western world, and effectively she wants us to return to a "pre-industrial time" of almost zero industry and with a very socialist mindset towards the population left alive, which again puts her at odds with the vast majority of the Western worlds population.

So again, I 100% agree with Climate Change and think Greta is the absolute worst thing to happen to the debate. At least when genuine experts discussed this there was debate, now there's a child screaming and an audience with their back up ignoring the issue purely because no-one important enough to actually make changes wants to listen to this child.
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That's that saying? there is no such thing as bad publicity?

She certainly brought the subject more up front, you can't deny that, i mean we are here talking about it.
 
Lol at people having a go at her for screaming or having certain facial expressions, that’s probably how half of these folk converse on a day to day basis looking at the deep seated rage they have for a 16yr old girl just trying to do her bit for the planet.
 
Meh, why is a brainwashed angry teenager telling people how to fix our problems?

She doesn't deserve the platform she's been given, send her back to school and get a real education first.
 
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