Greta Thunberg

Socialism doesn't have a good track record of providing either clean water or air for people living in countries under its sway.

Greta's speeches, like most environmentalists, are mostly full of petulant demands whilst being rather sketchy in how these demands would be implemented in the (short) time frames insisted upon....

But make no mistake Greta is advocating for socialism.



We have seen what happens when people imagine they can radically change politics to a form not previously in existence or one previously tried with repeated failures.

Serious soloutions require working within current democratic market economies. Not surrendering liberty and likey the aims themselves to the guaranteed failure of a command economy

People forget that if Marx existed today he would likely be pushing his particular type of envisioned command economy as the saviour of the environment. In Marx's time there wasn't so much of a globalised view of human caused environmental destruction/ degradation. But he was very concerned by what he saw and incorrectly thought the result of capitalism and implicitly suggests his system was the solution.



Of course we all should known how his ideas in put into practice affected the environment...…. and here for example

More recently we can see the example of Venezuela we're Chavez insisted that climate change is an existential crisis caused by capitalism but then presided over a system were heavy crude oil extraction was used to prop up the inevitably corrupt regime that socialism entails all whilst doing very little to diversify the economy away from hydro carbon extraction and ensuring that places like lake Lake Maracaibo became toxic hellscapes of the sort that would never be permitted in a democratic market economy.

Greta is a very good example of both a useful idiot and an abused vulnerable child.

When she hits adulthood and her current celebrity status likely starts to wain I don't predict a great future for her what with her having some rather chronic anxiety and other mental health issues and with little formal higher education because she skipped all that to lecture either gullible of duplicitous adults.

Rant about socialism/capitalism and weird things going into things that I never intend to go into, changing the topic to politics when the actual goal is fresh air and clean water.

Yes, socialism is a terrible word...did you go to a private school and only go to BUPA hospitals or something or did you get a free education and visit your GP paid for by the NHS?
 
Think it's great

More than any of us have done. The whole environmental thing is gaining traction. More and more people are dropping meat by some degree or all together.

Seeing more big companies promoting their green initiatives

Her being in the news can only help.

Support her myself.
She's a lot better than Instagram influencers
 
Its quite sad that a young girl can be used in this way, attain such impressive coverage only for the whole message to be ignored by the people that matter. In an era focussed on obsessive growth and capitalism, the situation can only get worse. My opinion is that we should stop trying to undo the changes, its too late, and focus instead on mitigating the effects.
 
Teenage angst. Sigh.

I'm not sure convincing a generation of school children they have absolutely no future is going to end well.

Yes, I'm aware that climate change is real, but I've never seen any realistic studies suggesting our civilisation is going to end because of it.

Think how much of a problem a little financial instability caused.
Then think how bad things will get if say London went underwater. Or our weather changed so badly we couldn't farm.
It wouldn't cause extinction but it would turn our culture upside down.

Life will survive, but ours may be dramatically different

I'm more concerned with plastics in oceans.
 
Just a mouthpiece for her parents, it's her parents who have robbed her of her childhood nobody else.

I'm sure we're all influenced by our parents in some way, I'm not sure that you can derive from that Greta isn't allowed to have her own opinions that she's passionately believes in and speaks out on!
 
Rant about socialism/capitalism and weird things going into things that I never intend to go into, changing the topic to politics when the actual goal is fresh air and clean water.

Thanks to market economies and the innovation they bring more people have access to clean watwr then ever before.

Access to improved water sources is increasing across the world, rising from 76 percent of the global population in 1990 to 91 percent in 2015

And how exactly are we to achieve improvements without politics?

You I suggest one of the duplicitous people I was talking about earlier....

Look Raymond says at this sweet little 16-year-old girl who only wants not to die and to have clean drinking water and air!

(but let's just gloss over the 'radical' 'new' politics she suggests is needed to obtain these goals)

Only thoose 'far right' bigots would have an objection to this!

Yes, socialism is a terrible word...did you go to a private school and only go to BUPA hospitals or something or did you get a free education and visit your GP paid for by the NHS?

Even most of Europe provides healthcare via a private companies actually providing the services. The NHS is a poor solution to providing public healthcare as indicated by the comparative lack of other countries that use a single state controlled supplier to provide 'free or subsidised at the point of access' health care (hint its not actually 'free').

I think more market choices in schooling would also likely lead to overall improvoments there a well. Give parents a voucher and let them shop around for the best school available for their children.
 
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That's to market economies and the innovation they bring more people have access to clean watwr then ever before.



And how exactly are we to achieve improvements without politics?

You I suggest one of the duplicitous people I was talking about earlier....

Look Raymond says at this sweet little 16-year-old girl who only wants not to die and to have clean drinking water and air!

(but let's just gloss over the 'radical' 'new' politics she suggests is needed to obtain these goals)

Only thoose 'far right' bigots would have an objection to this!



Even most of Europe provides healthcare via a private companies actually providing the services. The NHS is a poor solution to providing public healthcare as indicated by the comparative lack of other countries that use a single state controlled supplier to provide 'free at the point of access' health care (hint its not actually 'free').

I think more market choices in schooling would also likely look lead to improvoments there a well. Give parnets a voucher and let them shop around for the best school available for their children.

So you do go to the NHS doctor and had a free education then? Stop trying to twist things, you are already a hypocrite, just embrace it.

I merely said 2 short sentences, some reason it triggered you something deep, hit a nerve, and went off on a deep one....get a grip.
 
So you do go to the NHS doctor and had a free education then? Stop trying to twist things, you are already a hypocrite, just embrace it.

I merely said 2 short sentences, some reason it triggered you something deep, hit a nerve, and went off on a deep one....get a grip.

You implicitly suggest I have benefited from 'socialism' because I have used the NHS and went to a state school (both true).

My retort is that I think both schooling and healthcare would be better delivered outside of the more state controlled systems we currently have in the UK.

The state can still provide funding towards these. I generally think that universal provision of healthcare and education is a good thing for a society but it doesn't have to be provided by a state run outfit and frequently isn't in other western advanced countries...


(state run more in line with socialism and the collective ownership of 'the means of production')

You said two short sentences that seemed to ignore that huge improvements we have seen in past decades without needing greta style command economies...


Sorry if this is inconvenient for your emoting here.
 
You implicitly suggest I have benefited from 'socialism' because I have used the NHS and went to a state school (both true).

My retort is that I think both schooling and healthcare would be better delivered outside of the more state controlled systems we currently have in the UK.

The state can still provide funding towards these. I generally think that universal provision of healthcare and education is a good thing for a society but it doesn't have to be provided by a state run outfit and frequently isn't in other western advanced countries...


(state run more in line with socialism and the collective ownership of 'the means of production')

Keep digging.
 
Be honest the only way anything meaningful will change is with a one world government/organisation.
That can be politics or military lead.
Think of it as the war for "Unification of Terra"
Maybe Donald trump can lead it?
 
The obsession with her being a 'tool' is telling. It's a shame that so many of you had no interest in the wider world as a young person or were just a bit thick, but there is nothing extraordinary or sinister about someone her age forming and expressing political views. Her particular message doesn't need the scheming of globalist super-dooper-mega-elites to resonate with other young people (or anyone who cares about the future).

Never heard of her. Seems in lucky.
She's actually completely inoffensive and raising awareness for a good cause but is hated by bitter nerds and shills for large corporations for various reasons (most of which come back to 'Well climate change isn't happening anyway' or 'The UN is trying to take over!!!').
 
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