Greta Thunberg

grimm · 30 Sep 2019 at 17:12

I get the feeling that this girl is being used by the people she is trying to condemn.

Incoming fat cats (the people she is speaking out against) profiteering via new carbon taxes and new expensive solutions to tackle carbon emissions.

They already own the solution, now they are creating (or exaggerating) the problem to try to make everyone buy the solution.

Angilion · 30 Sep 2019 at 19:00

Panos said:
Define "round". Earth has pear shape actually.

That would be a very unusually shaped pear! Earth is more spherical than an apple, let alone a pear.

Earth is an oblate spheroid, but only slightly oblate. Calling it a sphere is a reasonable rounding in most contexts. There's a slight distortion from a sphere due to Earth's rotation, but it's not much. It's the same sort of shape you'd get if you held an inflated football between your hands and squeezed a bit. A percent off spherical, if that.

I have an urge to look up the exact figures, so I will...

Diameter from equator to equator: 12,756 Km
Diameter from pole to pole: 12,714 Km

So the difference is 0.33% at the most extreme points of difference.

Angilion · 30 Sep 2019 at 19:34

krooton said:
Then why all the outrage? If she's going to fade off in to obscurity, why are so many people on the counter-offensive?

I'll just quote myself from pages ago, since the same question comes up again and again:

Angilion said:
[..]
1) Everything other than mindless adulation is being called "hatred". It's a messianic setup and an extreme version of that. That's a bad thing.
2) Many people dislike being shouted at by an irrationally prejudiced person who is either ignorant or lying.
3) Many people dislike anyone having a lot of power with absolutely no responsibility or accountability.

Even if she does "fade off into obscurity", the harm she does as a result of those 3 things won't.

In addition to that, there's the theft of due credit she carries out as a result of her irrational prejudice and either ignorance or deceit. Many people have done a great deal to reduce harm to the environment and she demands they be villified anyway because they're older and she takes credit for their work. It's part of the messianic setup, of course. The messiah must be The Saviour because that's what a messiah is.

In addition to that, there's the vast amount of money involved. With the massive amount of artificial alteration of prices by governments comes increased power and opportunities for massive profits with massive margins. Of course politicians and businesses seek that. They're being given power and public money for nothing. It's perfect for big businesses. I'd call Greta Thurnberg a goldmine for big businesses, but she's far more valuable to them than a mere goldmine.

I expect she'll profit from it herself to some extent, but I'm inclined to think she's probably genuine in her obsession rather than being a knowing front and shield for profiteering and power-gathering. She is those things, but I think she isn't doing it deliberately. She might be, but I think she isn't.

And along will come the true believers to call me a heretic for not adoring their messiah, declaring that she must be immune from all criticism of any kind for any reason because of her age, sex and autism, that she must have power without responsibility. Praise her! Praise her! Praise her! She is the Messiah!

Panos · 30 Sep 2019 at 19:40

Angilion said:
That would be a very unusually shaped pear! Earth is more spherical than an apple, let alone a pear.

Earth is an oblate spheroid, but only slightly oblate. Calling it a sphere is a reasonable rounding in most contexts. There's a slight distortion from a sphere due to Earth's rotation, but it's not much. It's the same sort of shape you'd get if you held an inflated football between your hands and squeezed a bit. A percent off spherical, if that.

I have an urge to look up the exact figures, so I will...

Diameter from equator to equator: 12,756 Km
Diameter from pole to pole: 12,714 Km

So the difference is 0.33% at the most extreme points of difference.

Don't use diameter in a way of distance, that's the wrong way to measure an object which isn't a perfect sphere/circle.

For exact measurements it all depends how accurate you want to be.
As stationary sphere? Then Earth has 6367km radius (using radius are discussing about a sphere) or as distance from the core to the surface.

If you want more accurate measurement down to kilometer as a spinning object, then from the core to the poles the distance (not radius/diameter any more as we do not talk about perfect spherical object) is 6357km while at the core to equator the distance is 3678km. (as per your post)

However if you want to be more accurate measurement down to metres (as I did and was going to make a pun) you have to factor in that Antarctic ice squeezes it's side of the Earth. That, with couple of other effects, make the "North" distance from the core 17m longer than the "South" distance from the core. In addition the same effects makes also the distance of the south latitude to the core 7m longer than the north latitude, so it creates a bulge to the south.

So what shape you get with those exact measurements? A pear shape.

That also explains the state of the human race and life on the planet today.

Raymond Lin · 30 Sep 2019 at 19:54

Panos said:
For exact measurements it all depends how accurate you want to be.
As stationary sphere? Then Earth has 6367km radius (using radius are discussing about a sphere) or as distance from the core to the surface.

If you want more accurate measurement down to kilometer as a spinning object, then from the core to the poles the distance (not radius/diameter any more as we do not talk about perfect spherical object) is 6357km while at the core to equator the distance is 3678km. (as per your post)

I call BS or a massive typo.

Dis86 · 30 Sep 2019 at 20:28

Raymond Lin said:
BS

It's panos, he doesn't deal in facts.

https://www.universetoday.com/48919/distance-to-the-center-of-the-earth/

Drumroll · 30 Sep 2019 at 20:30

Not flat, then?

builder22 · 30 Sep 2019 at 20:43

I think the 3 and 6 might be the wrong way round, maybe

maybe this pear

SexyGreyFox · 30 Sep 2019 at 21:25

Angilion said:
Praise her! Praise her! Praise her! She is the Messiah!

I should know, I've followed a few

mrk · 30 Sep 2019 at 22:06

Michael Marini said:
Not flat, then?

The most amazing and equally amusing piece of comedy about flat earth people is that they don't understand anything about the sheer physics involved and how a flat earth would break all known laws of our universe. Also we'd all be long dead due to severe radiation exposure from the fusion reactions taking place in the core which the thousands of miles worth of inner and outer mantle protects us from as the molten core spins.

Angilion · 1 Oct 2019 at 01:52

Panos said:
Don't use diameter in a way of distance, that's the wrong way to measure an object which isn't a perfect sphere/circle. [..]

It's a reasonable approximation in most contexts.

But if you'd prefer:

Distance from equator to equator: 12,756 Km
Distance from pole to pole: 12,714 Km

Which changes nothing, of course. Earth is extremely close to being a sphere. It is definitely not "pear-shaped".

Efour · 1 Oct 2019 at 05:06

Can you get back to slagging off THE kid plz.
Earth is a slighty squashed spheroid. None of this pear nonsense.

Angilion · 1 Oct 2019 at 06:38

mrk said:
The most amazing and equally amusing piece of comedy about flat earth people is that they don't understand anything about the sheer physics involved and how a flat earth would break all known laws of our universe. Also we'd all be long dead due to severe radiation exposure from the fusion reactions taking place in the core which the thousands of miles worth of inner and outer mantle protects us from as the molten core spins.

Wait...fusion in the Earth's core? What's fusing and how? I was under the impression that the Earth's core is made of elements far too heavy to be fused by anything less than a supernova and that the temperature and pressure aren't high enough to fuse hydrogen, let alone anything else.

Tuppy_Glossop · 1 Oct 2019 at 06:47

I don't get how women are sometimes described as pear-shaped, either. Not our Greta, mind. Maybe in twenty years... if the earth hasn't burned.

See what I did there? Back on topic

Drumroll · 1 Oct 2019 at 08:08

Tuppy_Glossop said:
I don't get how women are sometimes described as pear-shaped, either. Not our Greta, mind. Maybe in twenty years... if the earth hasn't burned.

See what I did there? Back on topic

Well done.
I can't help but every time I see a do-gooder I remember Hayley, from American Dad, more specifically at the episode "camp refugee".
Not much different from our Prince and all his talks about global warming and blablabla, but private jet more often than one would use Uber.

StriderX · 1 Oct 2019 at 08:20

Michael Marini said:
Well done.
I can't help but every time I see a do-gooder I remember Hayley, from American Dad, more specifically at the episode "camp refugee".
Not much different from our Prince and all his talks about global warming and blablabla, but private jet more often than one would use Uber.

He's in line for the bloody throne, it's not a matter of choices...

Nasher · 1 Oct 2019 at 08:29

mrk said:
The most amazing and equally amusing piece of comedy about flat earth people is that they don't understand anything about the sheer physics involved and how a flat earth would break all known laws of our universe. Also we'd all be long dead due to severe radiation exposure from the fusion reactions taking place in the core which the thousands of miles worth of inner and outer mantle protects us from as the molten core spins.

TBH a lot of the flat earth people on the internet are trolls doing it for an wind up

Its like a joke that went to far.

Drumroll · 1 Oct 2019 at 08:36

StriderX said:
He's in line for the bloody throne, it's not a matter of choices...

Non essential travel is.
Same as Kim Kardashian crossing the globe and later lecturing about global warming.
And to justify how your argument isn't valid, his older brother, which has always been more sensible, used commercial flight few days later.
Problem is he's always liked to be a thorn and now with the attention seeker wife, Tend to be worst. Don't look at me, look at me. A real American TV reality show.

StriderX · 1 Oct 2019 at 08:41

Michael Marini said:
Non essential travel is.
Same as Kim Kardashian crossing the globe and later lecturing about global warming.
And to justify how your argument isn't valid, his older brother, which has always been more sensible, used commercial flight few days later.
Problem is he's always liked to be a thorn and now with the attention seeker wife, Tend to be worst. Don't look at me, look at me. A real American TV reality show.

THRONE.

Efour · 1 Oct 2019 at 08:51

StriderX said:
THRONE.

Are you taking/using the emperors name in vain?