Greta Thunberg

Living through the 70's probably means you recognise, and use, sarcasm - American culture has since pervaded the UK/zoomers
(winter of discontent etc - lights going out)

The Gilet Jaunes in France was an example of kick-back from wrongly implemented climate policy impacting less well off, and the heat-pump, bev, policies both exemplify that too.


Fairness is vital. The benefits of the Net Zero transition must be felt by all not only as a moral imperative, but also to maintain strong public support, and willing individual action. A recent French diesel tax proposed by Emmanuel Macron, leading to protests over disproportionate impacts on low-income groups (despite broad support for the underlying environmental objectives), shows how lack of fairness can undermine policy success. Policies can often generate winners and losers, particularly when a major economic and industrial transition means whole sectors (fossil fuel extraction, combustion vehicle mechanics, livestock farming etc.) may feel threatened by the public narrative, or need to pivot their skillsets to new industries. Here lessons can be learnt from past economic transitions, such as closure of mines under Thatcher without
adequate compensation or re-training.80 A similar spirit to that under COVID-19, of ‘nobody should be penalised for doing the right thing’, should be maintained. There is a large body of literature on achieving a just transition to a low carbon economy, which we do not cover in this report – though we emphasise that this is absolutely paramount.
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jpaul said:
Living through the 70's probably means you recognise, and use, sarcasm - American culture has since pervaded the UK/zoomers
(winter of discontent etc - lights going out)

The Gilet Jaunes in France was an example of kick-back from wrongly implemented climate policy impacting less well off, and the heat-pump, bev, policies both exemplify that too.
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It's funny if you're old enough to remember it and the issues of the times as there are plenty of signs of a return to those days. Except of course the humour was a lot less PC ;) and people actually laughed at it! A bigger issue this time is less deference to authority and the internet, the incompetence and corruption of politicians is much more evident to the average voter than ever before. I am hopefully it will, in time, lead to better leaders but that could be decades away. In the meantime, high energy prices, high food prices, less foreign travel and less consumerism seem on the cards. Once I saw more shoe, clothes and appliance repair services popping up it reminded me of my youth. Interesting times.
 
There won't be any ice ages lol :cry: How dare you?! :D
At least not before out painful deaths because of the pollution or a heat wave.

White House, intelligence agencies, Pentagon issue reports warning climate change threatens global security (msn.com)

Gigantic hailstone in Australia sets new record (msn.com)

We have already lost many glaciers, we have rain in Greenland where it had previously seen only snow fall.

Venice, London, Maldives, Solomon Islands - everything will be under water by 2100 if we continue this level of stupidity and rising! CO2 emissions!
 
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Really why would they - Boris just making it the Boris show, a political opportunity;
Boris has tarred himself on the world stage with his bad faith over Brexit/NIP, his buffoonery, guaranteed to make some crass comments about Russia or China;
Biden doesn't seem to be able to secure funding for his goals, let's see if Boris throws any stones at him.

Will be interesting to see Macron, Merkel, Draghi body language towards Boris.

Please Mr Putin can you sort the gas supply out though - Boris skimped on the nuclear plants.
 
200sols said:
Hard sell to those freezing death in Europe under such a scenario. Putin has the EU over a barrel and he knows it.
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Merkel's legacy weaknesses and corruption.
Despite that the Americans are no better, because they want the sanctions out of their own economic interest to sell liquified gas via ship.
 
200sols said:
Hard sell to those freezing death in Europe under such a scenario. Putin has the EU over a barrel and he knows it.
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Giving Russia a powerful tool might seem ridiculous, but it's pretty much the only tool the Kremlin has as if they didn't have this they'd have nothing and so the threat of moving off of their resources provides a decent amount of risk for Russia's oligarchs.

It also provides a poor, but useful barrier to Washington that keeps the US efforts in Europe constrained.
 
Putin knows very well that Russia supplies a lot of gas to a lot of Europe.
Of course he's going to put prices up and use it as leverage as we all know full well we are not in a position to be self reliant on energy.
Sanctions? ... OK we'll turn your gas taps off.
 
mattyfez said:
Putin knows very well that Russia supplies a lot of gas to a lot of Europe.
Of course he's going to put prices up and use it as leverage as we all know full well we are not in a position to be self reliant on energy.
Sanctions... OK we'll turn your gas taps off.
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It's stupid because these high gas prices make the transition towards cheaper wind and solar energy supplies cheaper, thus more attractive.
 
4K8KW10 said:
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It's stupid because these high gas prices make the transition towards cheaper wind and solar energy supplies cheaper, thus more attractive.
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They don't make them cheaper, they just make them closer in parity.
We should have gone nuclear 40 years ago.
 
builder22 said:
This came up on my recommended, no sure why! Think it was because I'd been searching for COP26 road closures :p

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"Fundamentally we should be laughing at them."

Then I chuckled at the responses.

"She's the girl that every father hopes his son will never bring home to meet the family."
 
4K8KW10 said:
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It's stupid because these high gas prices make the transition towards cheaper wind and solar energy supplies cheaper, thus more attractive.
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Energy storage is (typically) expensive so until that changes, the majority of renewables (wind and solar especially) will purely be supplementary rather than direct replacements.

As others have said, we should have invested in nuclear.
 
dl8860 said:
What is it about having lived through the 70's that means you know better than global consensus on climate change?
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Being blunt, they have the least to lose if the **** really hits the fan, and a lot of them don't want to give up anything.

Whereas the rest of us still have 1/2 our lives or more to live, and are (possibly) more prepared to accept some degradation of living standards to "save the planet", or more accurately, the non-human life that we still haven't wiped out yet, on our road to wiping everything out (including ourselves, most likely).

However I don't any real action will be forthcoming in the short term. Global emissions will probably increase rather than decrease in the next 10-15 years, and probably beyond. We're addicted to fossil fuels and that isn't changing in my lifetime, probably.
 
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