Greta Thunberg

How much electricity is being wasted in supermarkets, keeping refridgerated food on open fronted shelves and then keeping the aisles warm enough for customers not to moan at being cold?

Some chains are planning to put doors on cold sections in new stores and during refurbishments, other chains are resisting change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59141894
 

It's not difficult to connect the dots between more extreme conditions imposed on the tropics, the many short/long-term effects of resource scarcity and the countries most at risk also conveniently being where we manufacture practically everything that keeps wealthier society's standard of living politically sustainable.

For instance, the war in Syria was likely precipitated by a series of food shortages which of course further damaged the country's ability to produce food, now imagine that magnified many times over across the entire tropical belt and what effects that will have on everyone else who are also suffering in their own way?

Isolationist populism is the inevitable outcome I feel.
 
Turn all street lighting off on main roads, if these ******* are happy to sit in the middle of the M25, then no street lighting when they're out and about shouldn't worry them.

Personally I think it's a lost cause globally, and will carry on as usual in my
reasonably responsible way, and let nature take her course.
 
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It's not difficult to connect the dots between more extreme conditions imposed on the tropics, the many short/long-term effects of resource scarcity and the countries most at risk also conveniently being where we manufacture practically everything that keeps wealthier society's standard of living politically sustainable.

For instance, the war in Syria was likely precipitated by a series of food shortages which of course further damaged the country's ability to produce food, now imagine that magnified many times over across the entire tropical belt and what effects that will have on everyone else who are also suffering in their own way?

Isolationist populism is the inevitable outcome I feel.

Well having lots of children in places of food scarcity has existed for a long time.

Relying on hand outs etc, not sure this was related global economic catastrophe.

Famine etc has been a thing for millennia.
 
Am I witness to some sort of rising hysteria in your posts? Calm yourself, you'll just make yourself hoarse ;)

So, do you feel that there is an improvement in the air quality in downtown London or everything has been smoke and dust in people's eyes?

A 2016-vehicle is not compliant with ULEZ? WTH?

Ok, when will they stop all the kerosene combustion dirty airplanes over the London City, Gatwick, Heathrow, Luton, Stansted and London Southend?

:mad:

:eek:

:cry:
 
So, do you feel that there is an improvement in the air quality in downtown London or everything has been smoke and dust in people's eyes?

A 2016-vehicle is not compliant with ULEZ? WTH?

Ok, when will they stop all the kerosene combustion dirty airplanes over the London City, Gatwick, Heathrow, Luton, Stansted and London Southend?

:mad:

:eek:

:cry:

I have no idea, I haven't been to London in 15 or more years and would have to have a life changing reason to go there now. It's an overpopulated, over priced and over grown dump. Are you sure the reply to me and quote isn't in error? I drive a 1987 Volvo....I have never bought a new road car or truck in my life.

If it calms you I do have over 5000 trees on my property, many planted by myself. I probably spent less than £100 on clothes in the last 12 months, and haven't been on holiday, here or abroad for 25 years or more. France and Beirut are the limits of my international travel. I have never taken an internal flight in the UK in my life... Personally I'd stop all international pleasure flights, or make them eye wateringly expensive and taxed, and encourage people to holiday at home in the UK and put money in our own economy.
 
How much electricity is being wasted in supermarkets, keeping refridgerated food on open fronted shelves and then keeping the aisles warm enough for customers not to moan at being cold?

Some chains are planning to put doors on cold sections in new stores and during refurbishments, other chains are resisting change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59141894
in reality the doors are opening every other minute apart from at night


anyone who believes in climate change should check out all the false predictions.

london should already be under water
 
How much electricity is being wasted in supermarkets, keeping refridgerated food on open fronted shelves and then keeping the aisles warm enough for customers not to moan at being cold?

Some chains are planning to put doors on cold sections in new stores and during refurbishments, other chains are resisting change.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59141894

What amazes me is people who walk up to fridge with a glass door, open it, and stand there for 10 minutes deciding which bag of oven chips to grab. The door is literally made so people can see through them so they don't have to stand there like a **** wasting all that energy and yet they're still too stupid to figure it out.

I'm not asking much of my fellow humans, but if you can't figure out even these basic things then what hope do we have? Just burn the entire species to the ground and leave this crusty ball of dirt travelling through space to the animals who will respect it and look after it.
 
The point is that "will still want that new car" is not negative but positive in the current situation of climate and environmental and health emergencies!
A large part of our emissions are tied up in manufacturing and resource extraction.

If young people want a new iPhone every year or to drive a new car (probably changing it every 3 years on HP), jet off to Ibiza for their drunken weekends... yeah, I'm sorry but for those people there is no point pointing the finger at anyone else. World leaders (in democracies at least) are going to be influenced by what they think is popular and will get them re-elected. If young people want to keep flying; keep consuming; they aren't going to take drastic climate action that increases the cost of flying, or fuel, or consuming...

It's incredibly easy to look around and see what's going wrong. Changing the habits of the people - that's hard. That might be impossible, due to inherent selfishness and short-term thinking.

People will want their luxuries even as the sky rains blood. It is what it is. Greta pointing at the world leaders and saying this is all a failure of leadership - well that's plain wrong, isn't it. It's our collective failure, and we all need to own it.
 
A large part of our emissions are tied up in manufacturing and resource extraction.

If young people want a new iPhone every year or to drive a new car (probably changing it every 3 years on HP), jet off to Ibiza for their drunken weekends... yeah, I'm sorry but for those people there is no point pointing the finger at anyone else. World leaders (in democracies at least) are going to be influenced by what they think is popular and will get them re-elected. If young people want to keep flying; keep consuming; they aren't going to take drastic climate action that increases the cost of flying, or fuel, or consuming...

It's incredibly easy to look around and see what's going wrong. Changing the habits of the people - that's hard. That might be impossible, due to inherent selfishness and short-term thinking.

People will want their luxuries even as the sky rains blood. It is what it is. Greta pointing at the world leaders and saying this is all a failure of leadership - well that's plain wrong, isn't it. It's our collective failure, and we all need to own it.

Don't forget sets of new clothes every year.
 
A large part of our emissions are tied up in manufacturing and resource extraction.

If young people want a new iPhone every year or to drive a new car (probably changing it every 3 years on HP), jet off to Ibiza for their drunken weekends... yeah, I'm sorry but for those people there is no point pointing the finger at anyone else. World leaders (in democracies at least) are going to be influenced by what they think is popular and will get them re-elected. If young people want to keep flying; keep consuming; they aren't going to take drastic climate action that increases the cost of flying, or fuel, or consuming...

It's incredibly easy to look around and see what's going wrong. Changing the habits of the people - that's hard. That might be impossible, due to inherent selfishness and short-term thinking.

People will want their luxuries even as the sky rains blood. It is what it is. Greta pointing at the world leaders and saying this is all a failure of leadership - well that's plain wrong, isn't it. It's our collective failure, and we all need to own it.

First is that "young people" can NOT afford a new iPhone every year.
Second is that alternative flights on hydrogen planes are possible. Just write a petition to Airbus and Boeing to start developing hydrogen-powered aircraft fleet!

People should not give up from everything, only from the very dirty current practices.
 
It's incredibly easy to look around and see what's going wrong. Changing the habits of the people - that's hard. That might be impossible, due to inherent selfishness and short-term thinking.

People will want their luxuries even as the sky rains blood. It is what it is. Greta pointing at the world leaders and saying this is all a failure of leadership - well that's plain wrong, isn't it. It's our collective failure, and we all need to own it.

The top 1% are knocking out 16% of all emissions, let's start with them.
 
16% isn't enough. Everyone needs to be doing their part. And virtually nobody is innocent.

Let's start with all of us.

No, not all of "us". Just the guilty :D

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wasn't what they were pictorially representing on relative personal consumption (great film )
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e: the dilemma of setting targets

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Following Boris's follow the science meme - there was an absence of any Technocracy in todays cop presentations - Putin&Jingpin realised did the logical thing.
 
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