grievance raised against me in work

I sometimes get dragged into these at work as an impartial investigator, I work alongside HR to ensure the process is fair but 99% of the time it's an utter waste of everyone's time.

OP should have been asked to read and sign the minutes to ensure accuracy, they should also have been allowed some time before the sit down chat, not simply dragged in off the job, whilst we wouldn't allow you to bring anyone into the room with you at that stage you could have moral support in a friend,relative etc outside and the tone is always kept informal - as it's likely hearsay at that time with little or no evidence other than he said/she said.

OP - check your HR policies at work, ensure that management are sticking to them, if not then frankly you have them over a barrel. Our processes are detailed and must be followed or the investigation is dropped, this can be as small a mix up as not appointing someone impartial enough to lead, which is usually why I end up doing it - I haven't been there long enough to know many people and managers know that I've no qualms about telling anyone, themselves included what they don't want to hear if it's the truth.

It could well be social media as SGF has suggested, many of mine in the past year have been, if that's the case get on twitter and remove anything (even your account), likewise get on facebook etc and remove any reference to your work, your co-workers, de-friend any co-workers and remove any offensive posts or those that could be deemed offensive. Early on management tend to be slow to gather evidence, so unless they've got a screenshot already there's a good chance you can simply deny ever having done it. No screenshot = hearsay, it's not a court of law after all.

About 90% of the investigations I lead last year would have been avoided if people simply didn't link their facebook accounts to their work or co-workers. I'm going to be blunt - most people who grassed, were "work friends" of the person under investigation.

Personally I don't really use social media and it's not connected to my work at all, however I don't think employers should be able to police them in the way they do, which ironically is what I'm generally spending a lot of my working hours doing :-/ However if a complaint is raised the company have to investigate it and try to find out the truth as best they can..
 
So, first post in a while :) I was hoping someone could offer advise on this.

I work for a company of about 70 staff and was called into a meeting on Friday to say that a colleague had raised a grievance against me and they asked me some questions... they told me that they needed to determine the facts or if it was all just hearsay. My manager asked me to be as honest as possible so that they could get the facts. I was asked if I had ever been negative, if I had ever used obscene language of if I had ever been inappropriate. I answered the questions the best I could and they wrote things down. It was as if they were fishing for info, like they wanted me to land myself in the you know what. I asked who raised the grievance and they said that they couldn't tell me. I asked what I had allegedly done as I could answer the questions better and they told me that they couldn't tell me. After the meeting, I felt sick to my stomach. I can't think of what it is that I've apparently done.

I was told that there will be another meeting this week and another manager who will make the decision will be present.

My question is, what can they do? They never asked me to sign the minutes they took when questioning me. My work doesn't have an HR department. I've been worried all weekend as I could potentially lose my job :(. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

First off, I'm a Unison rep.

You'll not get union rep in this as you've joined after the browns hit the fan.
Ask for a copy of the grievance policy, disciplinary policy and a copy of the mins.
make sure that any conversations they have with you are documented and BE ACCURATE
I can't count the number of times I've repped someone only to find out they didn't give me the whole story, thought they could keep some bit back etc only for that to be the very thing used against them. if you can think of anything then say.
Be VERY groveling. "If I've caused ANYONE distress in ANY way then I'm terribly sorry, it was not my intention and will take this opportunity to learn from my mistakes..."

Do NOT try and shift the blame to someone else unless it's 100% their fault.
Custom and practice counts for quite a lot, but only if you can get others to admit it too.
 
Have only been once at work and then an attempt was made to get me in trouble.

Called my boss and told her. She said how ridiculous and not to worry and thanks for letting her know. Very nearly walked out. Guy who did it is still overly nice.
 
Just to be the ever optimist how many people have gone through one of these, had no further accusations against them and then happily carried on working for the company no more issues?

Isn't this just one of the ways they intimidate people to leave, and when they do it makes them look guilty anyway.

i had one with a fight at one company apparently id been fighting with someone from another branch :p it was a works do . :D

in the end it worked out fine.my boss was kinda happy because it was a rival branch :p
 
I can't count the number of times I've repped someone only to find out they didn't give me the whole story, thought they could keep some bit back etc only for that to be the very thing used against them. if you can think of anything then say.

Reminds me of the time I represented someone when they were accused of accessing porn on their on-call laptop. He swore blind he hadn't. Cue three weeks later when the forensics dept presented a USB stick full of animal porn - tigers, bears, cats, dogs etc! After that I didn't go out of my way to help him as he'd lied to me - I just made sure the company followed proper procedures - he was sacked on gross misconduct in the end.
 
So, first post in a while :) I was hoping someone could offer advise on this.

I work for a company of about 70 staff and was called into a meeting on Friday to say that a colleague had raised a grievance against me and they asked me some questions... they told me that they needed to determine the facts or if it was all just hearsay. My manager asked me to be as honest as possible so that they could get the facts. I was asked if I had ever been negative, if I had ever used obscene language of if I had ever been inappropriate. I answered the questions the best I could and they wrote things down. It was as if they were fishing for info, like they wanted me to land myself in the you know what. I asked who raised the grievance and they said that they couldn't tell me. I asked what I had allegedly done as I could answer the questions better and they told me that they couldn't tell me. After the meeting, I felt sick to my stomach. I can't think of what it is that I've apparently done.

I was told that there will be another meeting this week and another manager who will make the decision will be present.

My question is, what can they do? They never asked me to sign the minutes they took when questioning me. My work doesn't have an HR department. I've been worried all weekend as I could potentially lose my job :(. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

It's called a "fact find" process, and is perfectly standard in any professional work environment where a grievance is raised.

Whatever follows will be the result of the fact find.

I help with these at work every now and then by pulling internet usage reports, email correspondences, CCTV footage etc.

The idea is to get the facts, not to fish for admittance or anything sinister like that. If the facts show you did something wrong, then you ballsed up and whatever process your company has (first written warning etc) will simply follow.
 
You might be lucky with union representation as you haven't had a formal invite to a disciplinary hearing yet - certainly worth a try. Seems a bit odd if there was no indication as to the exact issue and you can't work out what it is. Unless someone is being overly sensitive or it's something you are genuinely unaware of. If it turns out that you are in the wrong telling the truth from the start and being contrite is generally best. Getting caught lying will make your situation a lot worse. Remember it's not a court of law and the same standards of proof and guilt are not required. However if it's an allegation about your conduct the case should consist of more than your word against some else e.g. a witness or an email or other documents.
 
SexyGreyFox [Deceased];29823982 said:
Have you made a Hitler memed You Tube film or been saying things on Facebook?

LOLZ.....

Op... One thing you must listen out for is this, once you find out what it is about people will talk about it, it's a given. This is NOT allowed in public at the work place as it can have an effect on any disciplinary out come if it gets that far. If you do hear people talk about it or someone asks you or tells you they heard something. Take notes of who, where and when. For people talking about it is classed as misconduct. If anyone one who is involved in your meetings is heard talking about it this is classed as Gross misconduct. This can have a very different outcome on your disciplinary and you can request a new person to have your hearing. You to can raise a grievance against the people talking.

It's a mine field. I survived but if mine did go to the actual disciplinary bit (where I find out if I got sacked or not) I had evidence to claim sexual discrimination and once that goes in, they **** them selves. I was prepared to get the whole thing reversed in my favour.

I have just been through all this, yes it was my fault (joke gone wrong lol) but I would still like proceedings to be professional and carried out to the letter. They ****ed up my proceedings and I resigned, new job (first shift tonight actually) and much happier and feeling very good about things.
 
So, first post in a while :) I was hoping someone could offer advise on this.

I work for a company of about 70 staff and was called into a meeting on Friday to say that a colleague had raised a grievance against me and they asked me some questions... they told me that they needed to determine the facts or if it was all just hearsay. My manager asked me to be as honest as possible so that they could get the facts. I was asked if I had ever been negative, if I had ever used obscene language of if I had ever been inappropriate. I answered the questions the best I could and they wrote things down. It was as if they were fishing for info, like they wanted me to land myself in the you know what. I asked who raised the grievance and they said that they couldn't tell me. I asked what I had allegedly done as I could answer the questions better and they told me that they couldn't tell me. After the meeting, I felt sick to my stomach. I can't think of what it is that I've apparently done.

I was told that there will be another meeting this week and another manager who will make the decision will be present.

My question is, what can they do? They never asked me to sign the minutes they took when questioning me. My work doesn't have an HR department. I've been worried all weekend as I could potentially lose my job :(. Any advice is greatly appreciated.

You should not say a word until you have representation - get a union or employment solicitor. If they try to use any original conversation that is damning just say they ambushed you and the fear, pressure etc... had you saying the wrong way to explain... it does sound like a HR nightmare in the form of 'little princess doesn't like your manner'.
As soon as I heard your questions I knew this was a POTENTIALLY serious situation.
Get some proper advise.
 
Generally unions, in common with other insurance providers, don't represent anyone for issues that happened PRIOR to the person joining - I certainly didn't/wouldn't when I was a rep.

There were exceptions ofc - like when a mass redundancy was to occur, we'd recruit new members (it's amazing what a mass redundancy does for improving union membership!) and represent them as a block, but generally for individual cases - no.

I got representation when a manager came after me with his 'tack ticks' - I got it because the manager in question should have been sacked years before because of his 'tack ticks'. The union saw fit to use the opportunity to stuff the bully while they had the chance.
He was a proper ** Fully Star out all swearing ** though....
 
It's too early to offer any proper help at this stage, but your manager's failure to get those original notes signed by you could help enormously if it all goes pear-shaped.
 
I've worked with a couple of people that did receive union help despite joining after the initial incident. Always worth asking.
 
Reminds me of the time I represented someone when they were accused of accessing porn on their on-call laptop. He swore blind he hadn't. Cue three weeks later when the forensics dept presented a USB stick full of animal porn - tigers, bears, cats, dogs etc! After that I didn't go out of my way to help him as he'd lied to me - I just made sure the company followed proper procedures - he was sacked on gross misconduct in the end.

Are they not just nature documentaries?
 
I used my work laptop for porn (plus various downloaded TV series and a couple of games)... they'd sent me away to a foreign country by myself at the time so what do they expect - I wasn't going to take a personal laptop with me too. Granted it wasn't animal porn and I did delete cookies etc.. but if someone had an issue with they really could jog on tbh...And it isn't as bad as a manger who successfully managed to get a couple of escorts through expenses after a trip to Germany to visit a client.
 
Just to be the ever optimist how many people have gone through one of these, had no further accusations against them and then happily carried on working for the company no more issues?

Isn't this just one of the ways they intimidate people to leave, and when they do it makes them look guilty anyway.

My guess as well. Make sure you win over them, then leave when you have a replacement job ready. Accusations like these hardly ever end up well for the accused (spelling?) if they keep working in the company.

Why can't they say who raised the grievance, or around what time the grievance worth event happened? Honestly, if I wasn't told anything about the grievance, I'd say 'stuff yourselves, I've no idea what you're talking about'.

The minute thingy, if they try to get a disciplinary on you, go at them with whatever you have, deny anything bad you might have said as they do not have your signature on the minutes, you might as well say you weren't even in the meeting. That would **** them up quite nicely :D
 
What is it that someone moaned about exactly? Don't think it's been mentioned yet!
 
Wow that's harsh. I thought they had, but you'd just not mentioned it in the thread. Well perhaps it's not as serious as it seems then, as otherwise you'd have been told I'd hope :/
 
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