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GT200 GTX280/260 "official specs"

I think if nvidia really wanted they could release a card that is 3 to 4 times as powerful as the 8800GTX, but it would be economically unviable; probably cost several thousand quid or something and no one will buy it.

The way the design and manufacturing process works is this:


1) R+D continues at a roughly uniform pace.

2) At some stage, *based on the current market situation* the technical and marketing managers will discuss formation of viable product-lines. This include both the new technology itself, and the two or three "revisions" they can extract from it (die shrink, clock speed bump, memory size increases etc).

3) From this plan a product is designed, "on paper" and eventually taped-out in prototypes. The marketing plan is further refined here, based on the viability of the prototypes (yield, performance, heat output, production costs etc). If the initial design was too ambitious then this stage can be costly and lead to delays (a la ATI in recent cycles).

4) The products are then produced en-masse, and distributed to suppliers. Future revisions, as planned, will start directly from stage 3, and the prototyping process will generally be much faster and cheaper as the raw technology is already mature.


So, yes - of course ATI and/or nvidia could release a 'monster' which was say 50% faster but economically un-viable (low yields and hence expensive, high heat-output etc). However, they strike a balance as with all things. From process 2 to seeing your card in the shops you're generally looking at 6 to 12 months, which is a quite impressively short period of time to my mind (much faster than with CPU design). R+D continues along many different threads, and can often be looking 3 years or more into the future, at the front-end.

The point I was making earlier is that the *driving force* behind this all is stage 1 - the R+D. This determines the technological advancements they have in their arsenal when planning products (stage 2). So, even if a 'new' card is not released for 18months due to the nature of the market (ie lack of competition), the technological advancements are still progressing.
 
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:confused: Here's a question - are there any games around atm bar Crysis, that an 8800gtx won't run amazingly well?

I usually get the new gen cards immediately, but I have to say, I really don't see the need atm :(

I realise it's been a while since we had new hardware, but we don't really have many games to push it yet.
 
:confused: Here's a question - are there any games around atm bar Crysis, that an 8800gtx won't run amazingly well?

I usually get the new gen cards immediately, but I have to say, I really don't see the need atm :(

I realise it's been a while since we had new hardware, but we don't really have many games to push it yet.

Hmmm...

There's a few, can't actually think of any right now though :p

Oblivion at 1920x1200 with modded textures and full settings slows down sometimes
 
:confused: Here's a question - are there any games around atm bar Crysis, that an 8800gtx won't run amazingly well?

I usually get the new gen cards immediately, but I have to say, I really don't see the need atm :(

I realise it's been a while since we had new hardware, but we don't really have many games to push it yet.

Nope there isn't and there's not much on the way either, So think carefully before you drop £400 odd on a new card!

Might be worth Nvidia and ATI getting into the games business just to give us a reason to buy there cards!
 
Nope there isn't and there's not much on the way either, So think carefully before you drop £400 odd on a new card!

Might be worth Nvidia and ATI getting into the games business just to give us a reason to buy there cards!

True, its all consoles this summer, what with GTA, MGS and that battlefield bad company. I think Far Cry 2 is about the only certain PC game thats coming that I atleast am atall interested in :\. Still, least I can dust off my PS3 now :D

Martyn
 
Duff-man an interesting post, I agree that its amazing they can release new tech at the rate they do, consider how complex this niche-product stuff is, how many people really understand how it all works right down to the fabrication level? good work I say
 
Duff-man an interesting post, I agree that its amazing they can release new tech at the rate they do, consider how complex this niche-product stuff is, how many people really understand how it all works right down to the fabrication level? good work I say

Thanks. I certainly have a lot of respect for the high-end R+D guys working nvidia, AMD and intel etc. Designing a product using several hundred million transistors is never going to be an easy task - no matter how you break it down!
 
Got my system from Oc on Saturday, 8 hour round trip but it was worth it... got an EVGA 8800 GT Superclocked for the 90 day upgrade option... nearly got the 9800GTX but decided I'd live with the GT for a month or 2 so I'd see more of a difference when I step-up to the 280... 'Vantage' is clunky but 3dMark06 is smooth... 13409 marks ([email protected], default Benchmark)... Crysis looks sweet too but I'm hoping the 280 will run it 1600x1200 very High (my monitors max)... fingers crossed for the 18th June (but anywhere upto August will do me)
 
ty man read some chinise comments they dont really like ati i think :( but how will they buy nvidia high end witch will cost 400£ + lal
 
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