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GTX 1060 To Be Announced on 7th July ?
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Soldato
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Is this accurate?
1440p Happy Gamer = 980ti / 1070 / 1080
1080p Happy Gamer = 980 / 970 AIB / 480 AIB?
Where does 1060 fit?
Is it likely to only be a small amount slower than the 1070 offering a bit less performance? Surely it cant if closer to £300 as then they compete with each other and "enthusiasts" will pay the extra for 1070 anyways and benefit from its additional overclocking abilities.
Does it offer around 980 level of performance at best? Therefore it like the RX480 does not offer a true upgrade path for those with decent over-clocks on 970 or who already own a 980. It seems for some of you the problem really is the 1070 has come in with good performance but bad availability and higher than MSRP. Much of it probably controlled by Nvidia themselves and their limited production. If indeed production increases then surely the 1070 price will come more in line and that is the proper upgrade path for current 970 or 980 owners. Just seems Nvidia are getting a bit greedy lately.
It is fantastic however for average consumers non enthusiasts to get the levels of performance in 1080p gaming that the RX480 can bring. The issue however is fewer average consumers will go much beyond the £200 target and they certainly do not need 1440p gaming. Regardless the 1060 Vs 480 will be an interesting situation to watch and enjoy as it unfolds. Nvidia seriously need to do a proper launch with quantities. AMD really showed how to do a good launch with the RX480 success in demand/sales it managed.
So can Nvidia provide Gibbo with approx 1000x1060 for launch day? Even then taking into account hasn't this sector of the market been effected already by consumers just buying the RX480? So the 1060 may indeed be more powerful but come in at a price-point that is beyond what some may want to spend and AMD perhaps already has beat Nvidia to a good percentage of potential 1060 customers?
1440p Happy Gamer = 980ti / 1070 / 1080
1080p Happy Gamer = 980 / 970 AIB / 480 AIB?
Where does 1060 fit?
Is it likely to only be a small amount slower than the 1070 offering a bit less performance? Surely it cant if closer to £300 as then they compete with each other and "enthusiasts" will pay the extra for 1070 anyways and benefit from its additional overclocking abilities.
Does it offer around 980 level of performance at best? Therefore it like the RX480 does not offer a true upgrade path for those with decent over-clocks on 970 or who already own a 980. It seems for some of you the problem really is the 1070 has come in with good performance but bad availability and higher than MSRP. Much of it probably controlled by Nvidia themselves and their limited production. If indeed production increases then surely the 1070 price will come more in line and that is the proper upgrade path for current 970 or 980 owners. Just seems Nvidia are getting a bit greedy lately.
It is fantastic however for average consumers non enthusiasts to get the levels of performance in 1080p gaming that the RX480 can bring. The issue however is fewer average consumers will go much beyond the £200 target and they certainly do not need 1440p gaming. Regardless the 1060 Vs 480 will be an interesting situation to watch and enjoy as it unfolds. Nvidia seriously need to do a proper launch with quantities. AMD really showed how to do a good launch with the RX480 success in demand/sales it managed.
So can Nvidia provide Gibbo with approx 1000x1060 for launch day? Even then taking into account hasn't this sector of the market been effected already by consumers just buying the RX480? So the 1060 may indeed be more powerful but come in at a price-point that is beyond what some may want to spend and AMD perhaps already has beat Nvidia to a good percentage of potential 1060 customers?
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@Latte
If the 1060 is expensive, seeing that I really do need a card asap, I might instead turn to the 470 as a stop-gap.
I honestly don't think the 480 is a good card for the money at £250. Someone mentioned earlier that the 480 is "probably badly placed on the power/frequency curve". In other words, the 470 might shed a lot of watts/heat/noise for a smaller dip in perf than you might think.
If that's true, the 470 might be a good buy. Again, pricing is key. £<150 would be good.
The 1060 @ £300 can sod right off, frankly. In that case it will be stop-gap time with the 470 or 2nd hand (something), and wait for Vega.
But to answer your question: 980 perf is the *minimum* I'd look for for 1080p going forwards. We all know that apps get more demanding, not less, as time goes on. And I don't think the 480 is a 1440p card at all, that's AMD marketing nonsense.
If the 1060 is expensive, seeing that I really do need a card asap, I might instead turn to the 470 as a stop-gap.
I honestly don't think the 480 is a good card for the money at £250. Someone mentioned earlier that the 480 is "probably badly placed on the power/frequency curve". In other words, the 470 might shed a lot of watts/heat/noise for a smaller dip in perf than you might think.
If that's true, the 470 might be a good buy. Again, pricing is key. £<150 would be good.
The 1060 @ £300 can sod right off, frankly. In that case it will be stop-gap time with the 470 or 2nd hand (something), and wait for Vega.
But to answer your question: 980 perf is the *minimum* I'd look for for 1080p going forwards. We all know that apps get more demanding, not less, as time goes on. And I don't think the 480 is a 1440p card at all, that's AMD marketing nonsense.
Caporegime
Then customs should be cheaper, like they are for the 70/80s.
I can totally see retailers gibbing customers at £300 in order to get rid of 970 stock at a lower price for a few months, but I cant see Nvidia pricing it like that. Unlike the 1070/1080, this is a card that will have some reasonably close competition.
If customers can get 1060 performance with a 3rd party 8GB 480 for £50-60 cheaper, Nvidia have messed up. And I dont think Nvidia are stupid. They've also got the money to afford an initial hit on larger profit margins in order to stave off the '480 threat'.
Honestly, I feel like the 480's disappointing performance has made things all too easy for Nvidia to provide a covering move. If Nvidia produce card that is £300 and only *just* beats a card that is £125 cheaper at its best, then they're straight up dumb as hell. And I dont think they are. Their current marketshare didn't happen by making dumb moves like that.
Soldato
Yet the mugs will still buy it. OCUK will still charge £300+ for it and claim it's good value. Bottom line is that tech is now becoming so expensive that it's pushing people into the second hand market as opposed to new.
Quite a contradictory set of sentences there.
Yes but why buy a 470 stop gap if a 4gb 480 is only a bit more, only the price sensitive user would do such for all the difference.
I do not see 980 performance coming much under £300 at this time. That is not what AMD targeted with £200 480. The problem I see is that to go from 1080-1440 nothing in between is suitable. You will see with 1060 that the performance of the 480 for £200 is not bad at all.
You really need to go with 1070 as their current offering. AMD may respond to this sector but chances are they do it a bit cheaper but the Nvidia option may still be better or by then 1070 is reduced anyways.
So again to me your saying you want a 1070 but not at its current price.
The 1070 Zotac Amp Extreme looks one of the best options available in some places for just over £400 and in others much higher. Shame it was not £350 as I too would have been more tempted with the extra grunt it has over a founders 1070.
What the 480 showed me was that with the AIB I should get a brill 1080p card (all i need) and do so for around £270.
So it makes for me the 1070 beyond requirements.
Does 1060 AIB beat 480 AIB, that is the question and the new battleground for sub £300 cards!!!
Possible outcome, Nvidia bit faster AMD bit cheaper.
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I am a price sensitive user, and stop-gap card needs to be cheap and cheerful.
I can shift on the 470 in 6 months time and hopefully not lose too much on it.
Anything £175+ is a bit rich for a stop gap card.
Besides, I said the 470 *might* be a good card if needs a lot less power to achieve 80% or more of the 480s perf. We all know that the more you increase frequency, you end up with diminishing returns - you need a lot of juice to squeeze out those last few Hz don't you. In other words, the higher you clock, the less power efficient you become.
It's not certain that the 470 will use much less power, but it could do. Like the Nano does, without losing too much perf to the Fury X.
Soldato
I think the 1060 will offer roughly,
~5% more performance than Rx480,
~50% less VRAM
~20% more expensive.
~5% more performance than Rx480,
~50% less VRAM
~20% more expensive.
For me it depends if there are going to be custom 470 cards available. The 4GB 480 is a great price, but the noisy cooler rules it out, and it looks like the custom 480s are all 8GB and much more expensive.
The 470 has 2048 shaders, so unless they've clocked it very low there should only be a small gap to the 480 like there is with the 380 and 380X. If custom 470s are priced comfortably below the 480 it could be the best price/performance card by some distance.
Really you should just wait another few weeks to see how things pan out but to me your seeking something that isnt available yet. By the time Vega arrives something else will also just be around the corner or something else being reduced. No different now to how 970/980 are being cleared for the latest cards.
Others here are more equipped to give you a better answer but I feel if these 1060/480 AIB might reach in around 980 stock kinda performances that is the limit of what they really need to do and is still a good performance at such price.
This may not be enough for you or others anyways as the gap between 1080p casual gamer wanting good performance and an enthusiast @ 1440p comes with such extra performance required it simply requires digging deeper into your wallet for such privilege.
What the RX480 has done is bring the excellent 1080 gaming pricepoint down. It will be a while before Vega does the same for 1440p.
By then Nvidia could easily have 1070 reduced and a 1070ti they are not fools and will always have something to match.
Others here are more equipped to give you a better answer but I feel if these 1060/480 AIB might reach in around 980 stock kinda performances that is the limit of what they really need to do and is still a good performance at such price.
This may not be enough for you or others anyways as the gap between 1080p casual gamer wanting good performance and an enthusiast @ 1440p comes with such extra performance required it simply requires digging deeper into your wallet for such privilege.
What the RX480 has done is bring the excellent 1080 gaming pricepoint down. It will be a while before Vega does the same for 1440p.
By then Nvidia could easily have 1070 reduced and a 1070ti they are not fools and will always have something to match.
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Well your second point is already wrong. The ygn looks pretty certain so 25% vram than the 8gb 480, 50%more than the 4gb model.