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GTX 1060
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Soldato
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You seriously comparing pricing of cards base on what Nvidia call them instead of the spec?
The 760 was at least a Kepler rebrand with only number cuda cores chopped comparing to the 670/680 and had the memory bus-size remained the same; nowadays the 60 cards Nvidia would nerf the performance further by not only reducing the number of cuda cores, but also chopping down the memory bus and as well? Forget inflation...you cannot compare the two, when what's offered offer are not even the same. Having the 6GB vram might benefit 0.5-1% of the games, but having the memory bus and memory bandwidth chopped would make performance lowered for 100% of the games.
I don't know about you, but a 256-bit 1060 4GB would be a better performing card than a 192-bit 1060 6GB in 99% of the games. The only reason why Nvidia is going with 192-bit 6GB is because the card suffer greatly performance hit at res above 1920, which they can still justify the higher price because of "extra memory", ensuring people that game at 2560 res or above would have to get a 1070 or 1080 if they don't want performance to tank too much.
The 1060 is relying solely on the GPU along with its new architecture to brute-force it, while its memory bandwidth is only the same as the 670 and 760 that was released years ago and with a further reduced bus size (to ensure more performance will be lost at 2560/4K res/DSR/Super-sampling).
Strictly speaking, the memory part of the "new 60 card" is not advancing- it going BACKWARD comparing to the 60 cards of the previous gens
(unless someone want to call the 192-bit to 256-bit, 256-bit to 128-bit, then back to 192-bit advancement for the 60 cards).
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There's a big office, full of bods who's sole purpose is to work out this performance per dollar and decide on what to drip feed us. Taking sli off the 1060 shows us they don't want it getting anyplace close to a 1080/1070. I'm not moaning but more you look at it the more you wonder.
Fact:
The cost of driving any given resolution is falling year on year.
Take 1080p/60fps for example. Three years ago, it cost £400+ to achieve this. In the last one and a half years, the cost has been ~£300. Now it is ~£200.
Not difficult to grasp is it, and yet the amount of people who claim the price of PC gaming is increasing overwhelms those few voices of reason.
The cost of driving any given resolution is falling year on year.
Take 1080p/60fps for example. Three years ago, it cost £400+ to achieve this. In the last one and a half years, the cost has been ~£300. Now it is ~£200.
Not difficult to grasp is it, and yet the amount of people who claim the price of PC gaming is increasing overwhelms those few voices of reason.
Soldato
Looking at AIB 1060's, they appear to have two edge connectors for SLI. Just the reference model seems to lack them.
What? I was driving 1080p/60fps in games of the time comfortably with the £170 4870 that I bought from OcUK in early 2009. Of course it couldn't do that on maximum settings in the newest games a few years later, but then neither can the £400+ card from three years ago (I'll assume you're talking about the 780, and as someone who ditched one just a week ago I can confirm that it's not even close). The only thing it of course didn't get close to that target in is Crysis, but then that game was an anomaly.
Soldato
If the reference Nvidia model doesn't support it, how good do you think the driver support will be for it?
My bet is not good at all.
http://videocardz.com/61982/gainward-and-galax-geforce-gtx-1060-series-pictured
The PCBs shown there lack the SLI connectors :/
Yes cant agree with Gregsters price ideas...
AIB cards are to be priced no lower than $249 (see video) but can go to whatever they want. A quality AIB at lowest list price (likelihood?) when Nvidia want to charge $50 more for their Founders? Well indeed people can just compare the 1070 1080 AIB prices currently to the "Founders"and see how many are going cheaper?
For example with the Sapphire RX480 Nitro at £249, it could be a close thing in performance but I personally do not see 1060 AIB going for similar price. Nvidia AIB I doubt will be priced as competitive, how much this matters who knows but at the price sensitive side of the market it might.
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Soldato
Perhaps they have made a technology leap forward and copied bridge-less connections like AMD have done in the last couple of generations.
But probably not, they will keep digging their own hole like with gsync.
Very High/Ultra settings. Maybe I should have mentioned that.
Soldato
Gigabyte ones here show SLI edge connectors.
http://videocardz.com/61934/gigabyte-announces-geforce-gtx-1060-g1-gaming
inno 3d model here with SLI edge connectors.
http://wccftech.com/inno3d-reveals-two-non-reference-gtx-1060-gpus/
I think people should really stop thinking that 1080p/60fps is some 'set' performance level. 1080p/60fps in a 5 year old game is different from 1080p/60fps in a game that came out yesterday. And hell, 1080p/60fps in one game that came out yesterday can also be very different from 1080p/60fps in a different game that came out yesterday.
I think most people want to play their PC games with at least High settings, right? I basically use that as the baseline, and I look at what the most demanding games of the day are and what card it takes to run them at 'x' resolution, 60fps and High settings. THAT is what I'd consider a 'good card' for x resolution/60fps. Anything less and there's going to be games that just dont run adequately and that's never fun, but more importantly, it gives a glimpse of what the games over the next year or two are going to require and that should be taken into consideration when recommending a GPU purchase.
Obviously some people are less picky about performance and dont mind a game that drops frequently or doesn't even hit 60fps, in which case they can afford to go with something less powerful, but I typically consider 60fps to be the general standard for performance on PC.
Yes, I know. That doesn't change the fact that what you're saying is absolutely untrue, bar bringing ridiculous levels of MSAA into the equation (which will still murder your framerate to this day). A 4870 could run just about any game of its day at 1080p/60fps on very high settings for under £200. And the 5870 that came out later in 2009 absolutely blew the 4870 away, albeit at closer to £300. It certainly didn't cost "£400+" to achieve your stated goal though. Well, at least not if you were on the red team.
4870 was $300.Yes, I know. That doesn't change the fact that what you're saying is absolutely untrue, bar bringing ridiculous levels of MSAA into the equation (which will still murder your framerate to this day). A 4870 could run just about any game of its day at 1080p/60fps on very high settings for under £200. And the 5870 that came out later in 2009 absolutely blew the 4870 away, albeit at closer to £300. It certainly didn't cost "£400+" to achieve your stated goal though. Well, at least not if you were on the red team.
And the games it was playing at 1080p/60fps were early gen X360/PS3 games.
Early PS4/XB1 gen games didn't take much to run games at 1080p/60fps, either(I could do it with my GTX670 in most cases). But as the generation gets past those early stages, games tend to get a good bit more demanding. Didn't take long for my 670 to become inadequate and for games to require something more like a 290/970 to achieve the same targets.
I still stand by my view that nvidia is doing you a favour by not allowing it to SLI. I see no reason at all to do this from either performance or cost reasons. If you have 1 1060 and want to get a boost some time later, sell the card and buy something faster. There's no financial benefit, and there's definitely a risk that some games won't support it.
Soldato
Gigabyte ones here show SLI edge connectors.
http://videocardz.com/61934/gigabyte-announces-geforce-gtx-1060-g1-gaming
inno 3d model here with SLI edge connectors.
http://wccftech.com/inno3d-reveals-two-non-reference-gtx-1060-gpus/
Interesting.
AIBs added SLi connectors in custom 1060 cards while Nvidia reference and Founders cards lacked SLi connectors probably due to compact size.