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I wonder if you can stay on topic instead of having digs at other members.
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that wasn't a dig, was an observation.
Yes we get it, you don't like the price ( and you don't even know what the price is ! ), how many times do you have to keep saying it? Are you afraid anyone missed that message the first 100 times you post that?
Soldato
Let's not be a drama queen, I have posted a few times not hundreds unlike you that has a crazy amount of posts in this forum in just the last few days. Back on topic.
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3.73% of all posts in this thread are yours
Is that all.
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Show me a comparison video of a 480 matching a 980ti. It isn't happening. Even Gibbo said it would never happen, and it's his job to sell these cards
The truth is you're getting £240 - £350 (390x/970 OC models) performance for £250 - £300.
Doesn't sound so good now, does it?
Seriously, you show me a comaprison videos where the 480 matches a 980ti in more than a couple AMD optimised games, and I'll eat my words.
Until then, don't tell us we're getting "£500 GPU perf for £250" coz it aint true (at all).
e: Clarification. The 480s give £240 - £350 perf because perf is dependent on game used. In some games it just matches a 970, in others it matches a 970 OC model/390x. Still, saying "£400 - £500 GPU perf" is wholly inaccurate, I think almost all will agree.
I totally agree with you, in fact we're not getting much better than 2 years ago, after watching that video of an overclocked 970 beating an overclocked rx480 the 970 launched at around £250-£275 that was massive as at the time it offered £550-£900 performance 780 Ti/Titan for half or even a third of the cost! and today we're getting an rx 480 for sub £200 that offers nothing better than the 970 if anything worse performance? so we've waited 2 years for this? I think kepler and the 970 were the best cards released as though the 1070 beats out a 980 Ti £550 and titan X £900 it's nowhere near the 970 price but instead £420+ so although still impressive nowhere near as impressive as the 970. All in all this generation of cards have been a massive fail. but yea I agree with you no RX480 will match a 980 Ti whoever thinks that needs their head checking out
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ok, let's get back on topic, I've seen mentions of 1060 prices. I haven't seen any £300 prices confirmed anywhere yet.
If that is true ( and that remains to be seen ) there are a few questions we need to ask ourselves.
1. Is it really worth it, seeing as it has less memory, lacks SLI and clocks lower compared to a 1070?
2. if it comes in at £250, the same question remains, is it worth it?
It seems to me a 1070 is still a better buy even if it's more expensive. That's for people who want to stay with Nvidia of course.
Is it a direct competitor to RX 480? Definitely, but we still need to wait and see benchmarks, card against card to see exactly what's what before stating that a card that has been released is better than one that hasn't appeared yet.
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@£300 : 100% not worth it.
@£250 : not personally worth it for me. Will wait for price drops.
The xx60 cards should be £180 - £200 (max) in my book, and £250 is just more than I'm willing to pay.
I'm not interested in the GTX 1050 as it will likely be a 2GB or 3GB card. But a 470 4GB might tide me over until we see what Vega brings.
The 480 for me is a nothing card. Not fast enough to be a keeper, not cheap enough to be a stop gap. A 1060 @ £250 will have the same problem for me.
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I have to question the wisdom in releasing cards with less than 4 gb of memory in 2016. Just doesn't seem like there's any market for them.
Totally agree, this gen is ******** prices. You pay more for the same thing, whether its 250 rx 480 or 270+ gtx 1060, its total bs.
I will put my hands up and say I'm an nvidia die hard, i go 260, 460, 660 then skip the 960 as it was poor.
If the 1060 with third party cooler is 250 i will grudgingly get it, (a 6gb one not this insulting **** 3gb pos).
Otherwise I will say sod it and get the rx 480 which i think is too high priced in its own right unless I see sub 220 with third party cooler.
If i'm reflective of many other nvidia die hards they better get ready to see their market share slide.
Firstly you can blame Nvidias greed or own dominance for the increase on card prices this generation. The recent £ situation does not help neither.
With respect your the one acting like a hyped individual and lambasting a specific product as you have done so in various threads the last few weeks. These may not meet your own requirements or expectations but that does not mean your opinion is the general view.
Sorry but what of the new/recent games only manage High settings and 40 FPS? I have not seen reviews with benchmarks matching your claims. I also have seen general praise from most reviewers in what the RX480 brings in features and performance. Sure the heatsink and fan are the main downsides but many AIB will resolve this and as we see some still at very good £250 price-point.
Good upgrade for many and very playable in 1080p Ultra SMAA
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I like many here have no issues buying one brand or another or accepting if a 1060 is a better card than the RX480. The truth is as yet we do not know, it is fascinating to watch for those interested in tech but more so for potential buyers. Best thing is to wait for reviews with the AIB on both sides which many potential buyers are doing. This is using common sense and being level headed, mature and patient. You should try it sometime.
Also it is widely known that ULTRA settings are not just a given for all cards. Peoples systems capabilities obviously vary so the whole point is to have scaling and adaptable playable framerates that the user can determine for themselves. If they want higher detail or framerates, they can adjust. Just like a 1070 will have framerate issues in some titles at 1440p and the 1080 the same issues at 4K.
By your own admission this gen is a letdown, just listen to yourself. Do you ever think outside of your own little box? Additionally not everyone may also have your perfect 20:20 vision or be so critical in determining High Vs Ultra settings. Some may perceive the benefits it brings different to how you do.
Yet the fact is many people are upgrading older cards and getting a good upgrade to what they had before and that is why the RX480 has flew off the shelves and likewise the 1060 may do the same if it can maintain a similar price. Many console gamers are coming to PC especially with the recent Microsoft decision. Some for the first time and these cards at @ £250 will bring them a quality of graphics and framerates well beyond the consoles.
So why not try to bring less hyper sensationalism to the situation, less aggressiveness, be less argumentative and more reasonable and open to accept other peoples situations and opinions.
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I was curious to see what I paid for my old Gigabyte Windforce GTX 560 OC, so I searched for the email confirmation of the order. Just under £150 in October 2011 (9 months after the first 560 was released). That's £165 today. It ran Skyrim at 1920x1200 Ultra. I have to admit, it does seem like 1060 has gone up a tier of pricing.
Again, you can blame the pound for that. The 560 was $200 and the 560 Ti $250 (same as the 1060). The only difference now is that the exchange rate now is 1.29 rather than 1.6.
Prices aren't going to get any better here unless the pound goes up again.
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I don't think $50 over 5 years is particularly bad when you consider inflation.
New node, more expensive R&D etc. Prices fluctuate like that but ultimately in dollar pricing they haven't changed much even since the 7800gtx days. I mean that was 2005 and the 7800gtx still had an RRP of $599, as did the 8800gtx a few years later. 10 years later and the 980Ti RRP was $649 and the 1080 standard RRP is $599. Hardly a big rise.
The main change is the exchange rate and that is why they are all looking stupidly more expensive now. The rate was 1.6 when the 970/980 came out. Now it is 1.3...That is nearly a 20% hike just there.
The pound to dollar rate has not been this low for over 30 years.
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Well all I can say is I'm happy for you people who consider £250 to be small change, and are happy to throw it at a low-end card that offers the same perf/£ as a 2014 mid-range card.
Although why you consider the 480 to be vastly superior to the 390x/290x I don't really know.
Although why you consider the 480 to be vastly superior to the 390x/290x I don't really know.
the new AMD RX 480 is slower then a 970
The 970 was a low end GPU that came out almost 2 years ago (Plus it was 28mn last gen)
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I am not happy about it at all. I think all the prices are **** this generation but i don't blame the manufacturers. The GBP to USD rate is the main problem ( for us in the UK).