Yeah, I think the Titan arrived first at nearly double the price of the GTX980 and the Ti arrived a bit later and cost less, so the Titan owners all felt screwed over.
Another good reason to stick with the GTX1080.
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Yeah, I think the Titan arrived first at nearly double the price of the GTX980 and the Ti arrived a bit later and cost less, so the Titan owners all felt screwed over.
Another good reason to stick with the GTX1080.
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No they're just not the biggest possible chip - this doesn't make them mid-range, they're still high-end parts. Mid-range can be based on several criteria like price or performance (or even transistor count) but it's towards the top end on any of these spectrums.
Once a 1080Ti / Titan comes along... it'll still be high end just not the top possible one, though you'll begin to have more justification for your claims.
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the gpu industry is literally the only one i can think of that would consider the best performing product in that industry to be mid-range and not high end.
such a daft argument.
such a daft argument.
Don't worry when the Titan and TI come out it will fall back into place. Let the 1080 owners think its a high end GPU for now. I guess the 980ti has been made mid range now due to the 1080? Lol its a Eol card from the 9 series and still is a high end GPU.
If the 1080Ti was released at the same time then would anyone in their right mind pay £600 for the 1080 when we all know the £600 range is for the top end 1080ti.
Nvidia have purposefully released the mid tier card first to milk their customers. Once the 1080Ti is released then they will drop the price of the 1080 to around £400 where it truly belongs. Amazing how they managed to convince people that the 1080 (essentially the replacement for the 980) is the top tier card so commands a top price.
In total contrast, AMD is releasing the 480 as a replacement for the 380 and have priced it almost the same even though the performance is double of the 380.
Nvidia have purposefully released the mid tier card first to milk their customers. Once the 1080Ti is released then they will drop the price of the 1080 to around £400 where it truly belongs. Amazing how they managed to convince people that the 1080 (essentially the replacement for the 980) is the top tier card so commands a top price.
In total contrast, AMD is releasing the 480 as a replacement for the 380 and have priced it almost the same even though the performance is double of the 380.
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That's not quite right though... just because Nvidia's new generation mid-range happens to be a little bit faster than their last-gen top-end doesn't make the new mid-range the high-end offerings.
I'm not disputing the performance... they are a little bit faster than the last-gen high-end... but they are most definitely the mid-range 2/3 size chips.
This is the third generation in a row Nvidia have done this... partially thanks to AMD not being able to compete with them at the same rate they used to.
They are purposefully holding back the top-end, milking consumers and slowing down technological development to make a buck.
£600+ for a mid-range chip is an absolute joke... £400+ for the 1080 was bad enough.
£670 for the GTX690 was excusable because it had two chips on the PCB.
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GTX980 was not mid range and there was a 6 month gap between the launch of these cards.
The price on the Ti/Titan puts them outside most of our reach or rather very difficult to justify.
I won't be considering them, when they get released I'll just buy a second GTX1080 and that will be me sorted.
Soooo... because Nvidia delayed the release of the 980ti means the 980 was high-end?
Ummmm... no.
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^ this is correct, *50 are low *60 are mid *70 are performance, *80 are high end, *80 Ti's and Titans are extreme/enthusiast. People getting funny over naming conventions here, high end doesn't mean top it just means that it's high on the chart which is true in this case. Lets not forget that Nvidia still produce 750 and lower cards which are "low end" anyone who spends >£600 on a GPU probably has money to burn and any card that costs that much obviously has a premium to it whether that be that it's new tech or that it's high/enthusiast end.
By that logic Nvidia should not drop the price of the 1080 once the 1080ti is released since it's the high end and in it's correct price bracket anyway, right?
If what you are saying is correct then people will be happy to pay £800+ for a 1080ti.
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Nvidia's pricing model has never made any sense to end consumers unless AMD have also had something to compete with their cards and drop the prices. Nothing new there it's competition that drives prices down, while Nvidia don't have a competing card from AMD of course they are going to charge a premium. The price bracket doesn't really come into things with Nvidia as they charge what they want with what is available in the market.
It seems people are using the term high end to mean different things.
Some people define high end in terms of current available performance regardless of where that card sits in the road map for its architecture. By this definition the 1080 is a high end card and will eventually move down to mid range once the 1080ti/Titans are released.
Others define it in terms of where the card sits in its road map. This is the absolute definition and will never change. By this definition, the 1080 is and always will be a mid range card. Similarly the 980ti/TitanX will always be defined as high end cards because they sat at the top of their road map. It won't matter if they bench last in 10 years time, their definition does not change.
Personally, I think the second definition makes more sense
Some people define high end in terms of current available performance regardless of where that card sits in the road map for its architecture. By this definition the 1080 is a high end card and will eventually move down to mid range once the 1080ti/Titans are released.
Others define it in terms of where the card sits in its road map. This is the absolute definition and will never change. By this definition, the 1080 is and always will be a mid range card. Similarly the 980ti/TitanX will always be defined as high end cards because they sat at the top of their road map. It won't matter if they bench last in 10 years time, their definition does not change.
Personally, I think the second definition makes more sense
It seems people are using the term high end to mean different things.
Some people define high end in terms of current available performance regardless of where that card sits in the road map for its architecture. By this definition the 1080 is a high end card and will eventually move down to mid range once the 1080ti/Titans are released.
Others define it in terms of where the card sits in its road map. This is the absolute definition and will never change. By this definition, the 1080 is and always will be a mid range card. Similarly the 980ti/TitanX will always be defined as high end cards because they sat at the top of their road map. It won't matter if they bench last in 10 years time, their definition does not change.
Personally, I think the second definition makes more sense
The problem is the 2nd definition only makes sense if the entire GPU is released at approximately the same time. Given the manufacturing complexity that isn't the case anymore, and hasn't been for some time.
In 6-9 months time there will indeed be a faster 1080ti and a Titan that will for. The new high end. But then 6-9 months after that there will be new 1180 that is faster again.
High end can only refer to the current released cards and those available in the short term.
It does make sense, but your interpretation of it doesn't IMO. Why can only one card (and possibly its slightly cut-down version) be "high end"? By basically anyone's definition outside of "hardware enthusiast" communities, the 1080 will be considered a "high end" card. It's really only the rich elitists who buy Titans and Tis who push this whole "mid-range" thing about cards like the 1080, and it's because they want to feel special. In a class of their own, so to speak. Everything below the absolute fastest thing you can possibly buy is "mid-range" and people who own those cards deserve a nice pat on the head for thinking they own a fast gaming PC.Others define it in terms of where the card sits in its road map. This is the absolute definition and will never change. By this definition, the 1080 is and always will be a mid range card. Similarly the 980ti/TitanX will always be defined as high end cards because they sat at the top of their road map. It won't matter if they bench last in 10 years time, their definition does not change.
Personally, I think the second definition makes more sense
The 1080 will never, ever be a "mid-range" card in my eyes. The definition which dictates that only a single chip can ever be a "high end" GPU, yet everything from the x80 to the x50 can be lumped into the "mid-range" (because, pfft, who even cares right?), is just silly to me. There are absolute defintions, but they're not where Titan and Ti snobs think they are, or indeed set in stone based on a card's name. That's a skewed perception of reality that comes from too much time spent hanging out with other people who also only buy the very best hardware money can buy.
Not going to argue about it at all, but those are my thoughts. Enjoy them.
It seems people are using the term high end to mean different things.
Some people define high end in terms of current available performance regardless of where that card sits in the road map for its architecture. By this definition the 1080 is a high end card and will eventually move down to mid range once the 1080ti/Titans are released.
Others define it in terms of where the card sits in its road map. This is the absolute definition and will never change. By this definition, the 1080 is and always will be a mid range card. Similarly the 980ti/TitanX will always be defined as high end cards because they sat at the top of their road map. It won't matter if they bench last in 10 years time, their definition does not change.
Personally, I think the second definition makes more sense
Who has said that this is the absolute definition?
It kinda does actually, high end is based on availability as well.
Also when does a card NEED to be the absolute fastest in it's generation to considered high end? Never. high end encompasses a range of products from both nvidia and AMD.
It's more like 50-75% depending on game/resolution, but leaving that aside, most of the 970 owners are at 1080p and a lot of them will see the price of the 1070 and just stick with their 970. A 970 is still a solid 1080p card afterall.
I think nvidia will struggle to shift 1070s at the volumes they shifted 970s, at least until the price drops.
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The 1070 should be a real appeal for anyone who skipped Maxwell from 970/980 to the Ti.
The 1080 should be avoided and wait till next year. It's got no place in the GPU market at the moment IMO.
1070 is sufficient enough for 1440p (as is a 980Ti), the next step is 4K, and 1080 still isn't a 4K card. Only a complete idiot who wants 200fps at 1080p will buy one, probably for bragging rights.
The 1080 should be avoided and wait till next year. It's got no place in the GPU market at the moment IMO.
1070 is sufficient enough for 1440p (as is a 980Ti), the next step is 4K, and 1080 still isn't a 4K card. Only a complete idiot who wants 200fps at 1080p will buy one, probably for bragging rights.