Well said. And true.
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GTX 1070 - any takers?
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Well said. And true.
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It seems people are using the term high end to mean different things.
Some people define high end in terms of current available performance regardless of where that card sits in the road map for its architecture. By this definition the 1080 is a high end card and will eventually move down to mid range once the 1080ti/Titans are released.
Others define it in terms of where the card sits in its road map. This is the absolute definition and will never change. By this definition, the 1080 is and always will be a mid range card. Similarly the 980ti/TitanX will always be defined as high end cards because they sat at the top of their road map. It won't matter if they bench last in 10 years time, their definition does not change.
Personally, I think the second definition makes more sense
What garbage, the roadmap doesn't magically make it a mid-range card. It's a cut-down part which has nothing to do with the roadmap nor anything to do with being mid-range ... it's their top chip right now based on their top architecture. You're assuming that the least cut-down of a given chip is the only possible top-end regardless of if it's actually better (may be clocked lower due to heat etc) and also assuming that we should be comparing within architecture families not by what actually exists at a given point in time - which even in 10 years time will still not make sense as they still had release dates and those dates set what they were up against and thus their performance.
Lets go to make-believe land and say that the 1080Ti doesn't come out until Vega arrives and Vega stomps it. That doesn't mean the 1080 was a slower card than AMDs offering as it wasn't against them. It does mean that if considering buying new you're comparing just-released and older products... which is what actually happens in real life. However, the companies selling them have to change prices along the way influencing their market segment at the time based on rival options.
If your idea of top-end isn't changing then this should be a give-away that you're wrong - as then a 980Ti would be above a 1080 as others have observed as the only top-end card available right now according to you.
Well, 980 was still high-end even after the 980Ti came out as that was enthusiast but yes, it does mean that - those ~9 months were real and in that time the fastest existing card from NVIDIA was the 980. The Ti might never have happened so to classify another card based on a potential future is silly.
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GTX 1080 definitely has a place in my system and then another one in 6 months when everyone is whinging about Titan prices.
GTX 1070 is better value though but that's that's nothing new.
That's rather bizarre logic. What about people who want to max everything at 1440p, or people who run wide monitors?
Also having checked some benchmarks, the same games it gets 150+ fps at 1080p are the ones it'll get 60 in 4k :/
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Any Takers you asked
Not Me
I am waiting to see what pans out the rest of 2016-early 2017
Not Me
I am waiting to see what pans out the rest of 2016-early 2017
Fact is though 1080 is the mid range pascal card and by your definition there never is truley a actual high end card as the goal posts move when ever there is a more powerful card.
I guess now the 390 and 970 are low end cards? Lol its almost like my 980ti has magically lost performance with the release of the 1080 but yet it seems to perform exactly how it was pre release. Funny that.
Are you gonna wait Joe?
No, what he said makes perfect sense.
The current fastest card is "high end", this changes every 6 years to a year as new cards get launched.
Whether nvidia are holding them back on purpose or whether they've just not really for the full pascal is irrelevant.
But again, high end refers to a range of cards with varying performance, not just the fastest card on the market.
There is no single high end card or a single mid ranged card, there are many.
Oh, people pay the extra to get it now.
Well i started by build in October last year. Won't hurt a few more weeks
No, what he said makes perfect sense.
The current fastest card is "high end", this changes every 6 years to a year as new cards get launched.
Whether nvidia are holding them back on purpose or whether they've just not really for the full pascal is irrelevant.
But again, high end refers to a range of cards with varying performance, not just the fastest card on the market.
There is no single high end card or a single mid ranged card, there are many.
In thar case the295x2 when it came out must have made other cards mid range as that was the fastest card at that time. Or are goal posts going to move for that too?
No, it just became another high end card on the market.
Other high end cards don't just suddenly become mid range every time a new card is released.
I would class them as mid range when previous flagship devices are being matched by actual mid range cards, e.g GTX660 is similar in performance to GTX590 or a HD7970.
Can I ask how old you are ?
I don't believe that's how he meant it. In my eyes the 980Ti/Titan will always be the 9 series high end chip, even in 10 years time it will still be the 9 series high end, the same as the 1080Ti/Titan is going to be and always will be the 10 series high end chip.
I classify the tiers based on the cards performance in relation to its own series and never between different ones. The 9 series bears no relevance to where the 10 series chips fit in their respective gpu range.
I don't think any of us, no matter what way we look at these will change our minds though so I think we'll have to agree to disagree
Is it? Are Polaris benchmarks out already? That card seems to be getting faster and faster by the day...
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Hi Gibbo, i'm sorry, but when us will see the first custom gtx 1070 in stock on the OcUk?
Who do you think you are trying to get this chat back on topic?
You are wrong by that definition the 1070+ is part of the high end family. Everything from 1070 and higher is very clearly defined as part of the high end in the roadmap. NVidia define high end as xx70 and higher. The top of the roadmap is not the high end family. There are 4 cards in the high end family. xx70, xx80, TI & X. xx70 is the bottom of the high end family but its still part of the high end cards.Others define it in terms of where the card sits in its road map. This is the absolute definition and will never change. By this definition, the 1080 is and always will be a mid range card. Similarly the 980ti/TitanX will always be defined as high end cards because they sat at the top of their road map. It won't matter if they bench last in 10 years time, their definition does not change.
Personally, I think the second definition makes more sense
