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GTX 1070 - any takers?

What a pointless debate.

The GTX 1060, 1070, 1080, 1080 Ti and Pascal Titan are what they are and if the end user wants to think of them as low mid or high end really does not matter to anyone else.

The post was typed on my low end crappy old TX.:D
 
Pottsey said:
That is not how NVidia define the ranges and if 950/960 is low end what do you call the 00–45 GPU's?
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Minecraft edition cards :p


ebilcake said:
Basically Ti/Titan owners want to feel special so they're trying to "demote" the GTX 1070 / GTX 1080 to mid range cards.

Hilarious, you couldn't make it up
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I can assure you I'm not a Titan/Ti owner. I own an mid range 9 series GPU (970) I knew it was mid range when I bought it though and don't claim it's anything but that.
 
To get this for my card for the next few years or get the cheaper AMD one and get their 1070 competition card (490?) when that releases? I'm so stuck. Hesitant to grab a 1070 since I have a hunch AMD will get such a significant performance increase in DX12 that their 1070 competitor will be just as good in DX11 will also so much better in DX12 games because of the uplift they currently enjoy. Have to get something, my 760 is struggling...
 
ebilcake said:
Basically Ti/Titan owners want to feel special so they're trying to "demote" the GTX 1070 / GTX 1080 to mid range cards.

Hilarious, you couldn't make it up
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And how old are you? Tit for tat this comment. I am classing the 1080/70 as mid ranged based on their generation. In pascal they are mid range. Just like 390-390x was mid range to the 980/70 and fury was high end to the 980ti and Titan x. Same this gen on pascal. Im waiting for vega and high end pascal because that is where the high end cards are and be worth the upgrade. Im not demoting the 1080 just stating facts. Its all the 1080/70 owners which want to feel special or potential buyers.
If the 480 was matching the 1070 when releaseded would this card also be classed as high end?
Because its a low/mid range card.
 
r7slayer said:
And how old are you? Tit for tat this comment. I am classing the 1080/70 as mid ranged based on their generation. In pascal they are mid range. Just like 390-390x was mid range to the 980/70 and fury was high end to the 980ti and Titan x. Same this gen on pascal. Im waiting for vega and high end pascal because that is where the high end cards are and be worth the upgrade. Im not demoting the 1080 just stating facts. Its all the 1080/70 owners which want to feel special or potential buyers.
If the 480 was matching the 1070 when releaseded would this card also be classed as high end?
Because its a low/mid range card.
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But the 970 isn’t midrange it’s at the bottom of the high range family. Look at the numbers on a scale of 0 to 100 no one calls 70’s mid-range and 60’s low range in a 0 to 100 scale.

It’s not about 1070 feeling special it’s about a sensible spread of the card ranges. If you are calling the 1060 low range then there is nothing left to call the real low range cards. You don’t group the low range cards into the same category as the 1060.

Its pretty simple. The official grouping is as below. Anyone saying otherwise is wrong.

00–45 low range <$100 Shader amount <25%
50–65 mid range. $100–$300 Shader amount 25–50%
70-95 high range. >$300 Shader 50–100%

That's the NVidia naming structure for the cards. NV even listed the 970 and 980 as examples of high range cards when they explained the official naming groups.
 
Pottsey said:
You seem to be confused on the difference between mid-range and high range. The mid range cards are the 50-65 range so the 1065 is at the top of the mid-range card family at sub $300.

The high range family is the range 70-95 so even the 1070 is in the high range although at the bottom of the high range family. High range is over $300.

Calling a high range card mid range and then complaining when its not in a mid range price is just silly. Its a 1080 not a 1065 so don't expect 1065 prices. Or to look at it another way the 1080 might be the fastest NVidia card on the market for a year if the TI isn't until 2017. Yet people on here want to call the current flagship fastest card mid range!
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Respectfully disagree, the 1080 is just the highest yet available in the new range, the 1070 / 1080 are mid range and the ti/ Titan will be the higher ones as and when they launch, much as the 980 was the highest 9xx for a while but people knew the ti and Titan were on the way.


Was discussing the new Nvidia cards with a few mates last night and were all going to upgrade by buying used 9xx cards unless the AMD 480 is as good as it sounds, Nvidia is effectively turning long term customers away, we (my mates and I) all have Nvidia cards I have SLI 580's, one a GTX 770 and the other a 560ti so we're all keen to upgrade yet none of us are contemplating buying a 10 series having waited for them to launch and balked at the prices.
 
ebilcake said:
Basically Ti/Titan owners want to feel special so they're trying to "demote" the GTX 1070 / GTX 1080 to mid range cards.

Hilarious, you couldn't make it up
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Ti/Titan are now previous generation cards and old news regardless of whether the 1000 series cards are low, mid or high end - that doesn't change that the overall configuration of the 1070/1080 is that of a mid-range GPU regardless of how it might perform compared to the previous generation - though it isn't entirely black and white as they've pushed the boat out a bit with the RAM especially the X stuff on the 1080.
 
Scania said:
Respectfully disagree, the 1080 is just the highest yet available in the new range, the 1070 / 1080 are mid range and the ti/ Titan will be the higher ones as and when they launch, much as the 980 was the highest 9xx for a while but people knew the ti and Titan were on the way.


Was discussing the new Nvidia cards with a few mates last night and were all going to upgrade by buying used 9xx cards unless the AMD 480 is as good as it sounds, Nvidia is effectively turning long term customers away, we (my mates and I) all have Nvidia cards I have SLI 580's, one a GTX 770 and the other a 560ti so we're all keen to upgrade yet none of us are contemplating buying a 10 series having waited for them to launch and balked at the prices.
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Well you can respectfully disagree but I was using the official naming structure. Let me ask you this. If you call the 1070 & 1080 mid-range then the 1050 & 1060 are low range. What do you call the 1010 to 1040 GPU’s? One cannot group the xx10 and xx40 into the same range as the xx50 and xx60 cards.

How can you call cards that cost over £100 low range? What is wrong with using the official family grouping rules?
 
not sure why you guys are still debating on high/mid/low end subject and where 1070/1080 sits - this has been confirmed by nvidia's "engineer" in post #399 a few pages back. end of debate :)
 
r7slayer said:
And how old are you? Tit for tat this comment. I am classing the 1080/70 as mid ranged based on their generation. In pascal they are mid range. Just like 390-390x was mid range to the 980/70 and fury was high end to the 980ti and Titan x. Same this gen on pascal. Im waiting for vega and high end pascal because that is where the high end cards are and be worth the upgrade. Im not demoting the 1080 just stating facts. Its all the 1080/70 owners which want to feel special or potential buyers.
If the 480 was matching the 1070 when releaseded would this card also be classed as high end?
Because its a low/mid range card.
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So for the next 6-9 months the current flagship and fastest card on the market is mid ranged.

How will you possibility cope with your low end GTX 980 Ti.

Whatever makes you feel better, this is pointless.
 
Pottsey said:
Well you can respectfully disagree but I was using the official naming structure. Let me ask you this. If you call the 1070 & 1080 mid-range then the 1050 & 1060 are low range. What do you call the 1010 to 1040 GPU’s? One cannot group the xx10 and xx40 into the same range as the xx50 and xx60 cards.

How can you call cards that cost over £100 low range? What is wrong with using the official family grouping rules?
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Cards below the x50 aren't really geared towards gaming. An x50 card would be the minimum one would use for decent results on today's current games. This is why the x70 and x80 sit in the middle of the gaming card stack with the x60 and x50 below and Ti and Titan above.

I would say the main bone of contention is Nvidias pricing on a gpu which is sat in the middle of the 10 series stack costing upwards of £550.
 
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Shocky-FM said:
So for the next 6-9 months the current flagship and fastest card on the market is mid ranged.

How will you possibility cope with your low end GTX 980 Ti.

Whatever makes you feel better, this is pointless.
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How does that even make sense? Im basing on arch releases. Maxwell had Titan x and 980Ti as the high end cards. 970/80 was mid range along with 60 which is like mid/low and then 750/Ti was low end.
Same this gen. Now u reply to me basing it of performance saying becase I said 1070/80 is mid range it makes 980Ti low which is u basing it off performance so how does that compare to what I said? Maybe use some brain power next time u wana dig at me Bro.


If it makes people feel better Titan and TI are the enthusiast highend where 1070/80 is just high end? And it's not pointless as this debate started because of Nvidia's ludicrous pricing of the 1070/80 as its more than last gen but people defend it because its the highest performing card and faster than previous gens high end. Even tho maxwell mid range 980 was faster than keplar high end but 980 was significantly cheaper.

Love how goal posts move to suit people
 
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I'm more likely to pick up a 1070 than anything this year

reasoning - 1080s unusually high price cant be justified in light of the 1080Ti

I would feel bad investing in yet another card that is using standard GDDR5 though, knowing 2 newer memory technologies exist and are already in use
 
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