GTX 1070 - any takers?

[JediFragger]

Guys, just a heads-up for those who are buying more than one;

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/geforce-gtx-1080-2-way-sli-review,1.html

Seems like 1000-series SLi is pretty broken at present and only working in very few games

Bit gutted as I wanted to go out and get another 1080 earlier!!!

 

[Rroff]

Guys, just a heads-up for those who are buying more than one;

http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/geforce-gtx-1080-2-way-sli-review,1.html

Seems like 1000-series SLi is pretty broken at present and only working in very few games

Bit gutted as I wanted to go out and get another 1080 earlier!!!

Hopefully nVidia get right on with it with post release drivers - would be a bit tragic after all their multi GPU promotional stuff i.e. the interview/talk on PCPER if it dragged on in a broken state.

 

[melmac]

Well it's only logical, if GTX 1080 is mid ranged then a slower older card like a GTX 980 Ti must be low end.

Makes as much sense as the nonsense your spouting, based on architecture alone a card from 10 years ago could still be called high end in comparison to current hardware, that may be true to a point but we use performance to measure this and NOT architecture.

It just makes more sense.

What?? The Titan-X and 980Ti were the high end Maxwell cards. Just like the 580GTX and 570GTX were high end Fermi cards etc.

The 1080 been faster than the 980Ti doesn't change the fact that the 980Ti was a high end card nor does it change the fact that the 1080 is a mid range card.

Remember we have had a double die shrink this generation. It would be an extremely disappointing launch of cards if the mid range cards from this generation didn't beat the high end cards from the 28nm line up.

Rroff's post below says it better than I ever could, but, you can't base it on performance alone and you can't base it off the name of the card either. The only way to be sure is based on what chip the card is made from. If it's made from the cheaper mid range die, then it's a mid range card. And what do you know, the 1080 and 1070 are from the GP104 chip which is, and has always been, the mid range chip in NVidia's line up.

You can't use performance alone that is just silly - but hey if people want to fool themselves that a card using penny pinching electronic components, etc. more typical of a mid-range card is high end I guess that is their business.

It would be like calling the GTX460 high end - nVidia have done their job well :s

Great post!! People have been taken in by Nvidia. Their strategy of renaming the high end to Titan/x80ti and renaming their mid range cards to x80 and x70 has worked brilliantly.

Your example of the GTX 460 doesn't go far enough, let me correct it for you. It would be like calling the GTX 460 high end and charging £500 for it.

I just wonder if Nvidia had called the 1080 the 1060 would people have accepted this price as easily.

 

[JediFragger]

Hopefully nVidia get right on with it with post release drivers - would be a bit tragic after all their multi GPU promotional stuff i.e. the interview/talk on PCPER if it dragged on in a broken state.

Agreed, bit poor so far but forgivable if they get right on it!

 

[McGraw]

So the 1070 is a high end, mid range card then? Good, glad that's settled.

 

[.Trooper.]

So the 1070 is a high end, mid range card then? Good, glad that's settled.

Nah mate I think everyone settled on high-mid-low end.

 

[Pottsey]

Rroff's post below says it better than I ever could, but, you can't base it on performance alone and you can't base it off the name of the card either. The only way to be sure is based on what chip the card is made from. If it's made from the cheaper mid range die, then it's a mid range card. And what do you know, the 1080 and 1070 are from the GP104 chip which is, and has always been, the mid range chip in NVidia's line up.

Except for that’s wrong the way to be sure is to follow the official rules which have been out years. What determines if a card is mid-range or high range is a system of rules very clear rules that have been out for years and those rules clearly show the 1080 and 1070 fit in to the high end family of cards. Some of the rules which NV use to determine if a card is mid range or high range.

Number range (Last 2 digits) 70-95, shader units 50% – 100%, bus width 75% to 100%. size 75% to 100%, price range >$300, memory type GDDR5, GDDR5X then it belongs in the high end family

Number range (Last 2 digits) 50-65, shader units 25% – 50%, bus width 50% to 75%%. size 50% to 75%, memory type GDDR3, GDDR5. Price range $100–300. The belongs in the mid range end family

Its very clear there are 4 cards in the high range family xx70, xx80, TI and X versions of xx70/xx80. I don't understand why you are so insistent there are only 2 cards in the high range family that's not how it works. There are 4 cards in that family.

The rest of the world calls the 1080/1070 high range, the established rules say they are high range and NVidia say they are high range. Calling them mid range is just silly. They don't fit into the rules for what a mid range card is.

 

[.Trooper.]

We've already determined they're low-mid-high end cards. Enough said.

No seriously. Stop.

 

[Seanspeed]

Honestly, when you realize that Volta will come out in 2018, the 1070 is actually low end hardware.

 

[Reality|Bites]

You can call it what you like Pottsey, you can call a **** a unicorn for all I care, doesn't make you right.

 

[Seanspeed]

You can call it what you like Pottsey, you can call a **** a unicorn for all I care, doesn't make you right.

Thinking there's a 'right/wrong' answer in this is where people are wasting their time.

 

[Rroff]

I just wonder if Nvidia had called the 1080 the 1060 would people have accepted this price as easily.

1080 is in a bit of a strange position - 8GB of VRAM is fairly decent and putting GDDR5X on it is pushing the boat out a bit, but then you've got a part that is far from pushing the boundaries of what is possible on 16nm, using largely penny pinching electronics on the PCB rather than what you'd normally find on a higher end bracket card and performance that is closer to what you'd get from a refresh than a generation leap (which is usually where you find the mid-range/upper mid-range next generation cards).

 

[Pottsey]

You can call it what you like Pottsey, you can call a **** a unicorn for all I care, doesn't make you right.

What makes me right is the official name culture scheme which has been in use for 8 years. There is an established structure to the card family's and the 1070/1080 fit into that structure perfectly in the high end group. A very clear list of rules was created 8 years ago by NVidia to show which cards fit into the mid range family and which cards fit into the high range family.

 

[Jono8]

1080 is in a bit of a strange position - 8GB of VRAM is fairly decent and putting GDDR5X on it is pushing the boat out a bit, but then you've got a part that is far from pushing the boundaries of what is possible on 16nm, using largely penny pinching electronics on the PCB rather than what you'd normally find on a higher end bracket card and performance that is closer to what you'd get from a refresh than a generation leap (which is usually where you find the mid-range next generation cards).

I think the 1080 finds itself in difficulty on here because many people have very highly clocked 980Tis and rightly or wrongly comparing it with them.

Stock for stock it is a good 30% faster, sometime 40% in DX12 compared to the 980Ti which is actually not bad considering it is the mid range part.

Unfortunately, so far it doesn't look like it overclocks as well, meaning once both are highly clocked that advantage drops to more like ~20%.

Obviously part of the reason for this is Nvidia going for high clocks so to get the same percentage overclock compared to a 980Ti you need about 2.4ghz+.

For people that don't do overclocking it is a decent enough jump forward. For those lucky enough to have a 980Ti that does 1500mhz fully stable in everything, it obviously isn't.

The same goes for the 1070, it is slightly faster than the 980 ti stock for stock, especially in dx12 but then slightly slower once both are given a decent overclock, simply because the 980Ti clocks better.

When you look at it. We were spoilt with Maxwell overclocking. I mean the 980ti reference boost was 1075mhz and most can do what, 1450mhz with some doing 1500mhz or more? I mean that is a ~40% overclock, easily done on air, which I doubt we will see again for a while.

 

[ebilcake]

What?? The Titan-X and 980Ti were the high end Maxwell cards. Just like the 580GTX and 570GTX were high end Fermi cards etc.

Titan X cost is more than double the price of a GTX980, it's a card for users with money to burn, usually users obsessed with benchmark results and epenis size.

High end cards cost around £400-500, anything higher than that is just nvidia milking those who have no self control, and as long as users keep buying them nvidia will keep doing this.

Sorry but I go by performance, high end = the fastest cards on the market available, that's cards, as in not just one or two.

In terms of performance the cards you mentioned are not even mid ranged today, they used to be high end, as in past tense.

Its still a high end card. Jeezus day before 1080 was released 980Ti was high end day after its now mid ranged? Are you mad? .

I wasn't being serious with that comment, I was just mocking you.

You can call it what you like Pottsey, you can call a **** a unicorn for all I care, doesn't make you right.

Right back at you buddy.


Surprised the mods haven't asked us to stop this yet.

 

[Rroff]

When you look at it. We were spoilt with Maxwell overclocking. I mean the 980ti reference boost was 1075mhz and most can do what, 1450mhz with some doing 1500mhz or more? I mean that is a ~40% overclock, easily done on air, which I doubt we will see again for a while.

Refined 28nm is pretty advanced - doubt we will see a process go through that amount of refinement again either - the B1 stepping 780s which are kind of a stepping stone to the final version of the 28nm process clock pretty well as well compared to the clocks on the original version of 28nm.

 

[yoyo59]

Refined 28nm is pretty advanced - doubt we will see a process go through that amount of refinement again either - the B1 stepping 780s which are kind of a stepping stone to the final version of the 28nm process clock pretty well as well compared to the clocks on the original version of 28nm.

yup the b1 780s was pretty epic and could clock much higher on average then A1, they was released the same time as the 780 Ti

I remember having an evga acx 780 b1 it would easily get 1300mhz

 

[Edrof]

Please keep the debates polite please, chaps. They are only graphics cards at the end of the day.

*ducks*

Thanks

 

[Broken Hope]

Even a GTX 950 comfortably outperforms the current consoles. It's an extremely low bar this generation. Perhaps that'll change a bit with the updated versions.

Technically you're correct, but I'd love you to show me a PC game that looks as good as Uncharted 4 running as well on a GTX 950.

 

[Griffildur]

I am 80% determined to get a 1070.

1080 has a bit more performance but I don't like the price tag.

The performance / value factor is clearly in favour of 1070. I keep an eye on performance tests and I see the 1070 being over 980Ti, that's good enough for me. I still use a 970 so the difference will be noticeable.