Halal, is it meat you're looking for?

subbytna said:
So a bit like secretely feeding vegetarians meat then? What they won't know won't actually physically hurt them? Tell them it's a non meat sausage when in fact it turns out to be meat afterall.

It's not a matter of physically affecting them. It is a belief that goes against what they stand for. It's also the fact that Halal, to most in the country, causes un-necessary suffering to an animal/bird. All animals/birds being slaughtered should be stunned so as to minimise distress to it.

I don't see any difference between being given halal food when it's against your beliefs and being given meat when you're a veggie and against meat.
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I agree with you, but generally business decisions often lack empathy as money is the most important factor.

Nobody should have to eat what they do not want to eat. But we don't currently have a compulsory food labelling system in place, so the generally accepted practice is to ask about your food before buying/eating it.

Just because I can identify what I believe to be the reasons driving the rise of halal in our food chain, does not mean I agree with them.

In an ideal world all food should have information labels that are well policed. We do not live in that world.

Asking questions about your food is a relatively easy thing to do. As is looking into how and where it was reared.

Now more than ever consumers have the power to approach any aspect of their consumer purchases in a well informed manner.

One thing I have not read anyone mention is the impact this may have on food law. Religious slaughter provisions were only put in place for small scale production and, for example, halal food is only meant for the Muslim population under those provisions.

Technically, I think it could be argued that producing and procuring halal meat for general sale to all people is illegal as the law stands. Although it seems to be a topic that seems to be overlooked in most discussions.
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
All I have taken from your responses is that you are happy to accept conclusions based on EEG and MRI results and you think only idiots wouldn't. Which is either vain or unscientific. Or both.
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Not at all, it's very scientific, which is why such people are idiots.
"and you haven't asked, you've hid behind a veil. Making stupid statements, then asking a question.


Rather than being so uneducated on the subject and hiding behind "how do you know" why not do some reading on what we actually know about brain function these dys and not just what we can monitor but just how much we can manipulate.
 
badcompany said:
What happens if a muslim eats non halal meat? Will they
A: explode
B: burn in damnation
C: be sick
D: nothing

Just wondering from the other perspective.
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What happens if a bigot eats halal meat?
Will they
A: explode
B: burn in damnation
C: be sick
D: nothing
 
badcompany said:
Same thing isn't it except Jews not making a fuss over wanting to have they own way all the time.
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Meh. Whether its Jewish kosher or Muslim halal, markets are driven by demand forces. If own a restaurant, and I use a product that is kosher and halal and general non specific I can draw a bigger venn diagram encompassing more people than the tiny, tiny segment of people who care the animal is stunned and bolted. Generally speaking, the muslims care for religious reasons, the jews care for religious reasons, and most other people do not know or do not care. It is only even an issue because you racist types are making it an 'omg MUSLIMSSSSSSS DEY WANT OUR FREEEEDDOMMMM' propaganda campagn.
 
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Glaucus said:
Not at all, it's very scientific, which is why such people are idiots.
"and you haven't asked, you've hid behind a veil. Making stupid statements, then asking a question.


Rather than being so uneducated on the subject and hiding behind "how do you know" why not do some reading on what we actually know about brain function these dys and not just what we can monitor but just how much we can manipulate.
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I'm not saying the techniques are unscientific, I'm saying your position (ie. dismissing any discussion around the subject) is unscientific. This is similar to a discussion with Sliver the other night where he posited that the Copernicus' heliocentric theory would always be true. It is unscientific to dismiss any future changes or developments of a theory.

But that's just my opinion ;)
 
Muzza1875 said:
this ^
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Or market forces.

Less than 300,000 Jews in the auk.
More than 1500000 Muslims.

Whilst companies don't have to label food, why have two suppliers of meat, why have the hassle and storing two different meets.

This is market force, with a lack of regulation, far more than any complaining.

Especially when you realise that most of the places doing it are franchises, which means they all have to get their produce from the franchise owner. So you get it nation wide, rather than where the market is mainly muslim.

Tuppy_Glossop said:
I'm not saying the techniques are unscientific, I'm saying your position (ie. dismissing any discussion around the subject) is unscientific. This is similar to a discussion with Sliver the other night where he posited that the Copernicus' heliocentric theory would always be true. It is unscientific to dismiss any future changes or developments of a theory.

But that's just my opinion ;)
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at is you opinion, and it makes no sense. How is relaying on scientific findings unscientific.

It is purely you hiring behind the "how do you know" now you can't fight the how do you know position, you move onto an even more stupid position.

It is nothing at like Copernicus, which you obviously have no idea about.
Unlike that situation, we do not need to continually fudge the theory on if animals feel pain.
 
Glaucus said:
Or market forces.

Less than 300,000 Jews in the auk.
More than 1500000 Muslims.

Whilst companies don't have to label food, why have two suppliers of meat, why have the hassle and storing two different meets.

This is market force, with a lack of regulation, far more than any complaining.

Especially when you realise that most of the places doing it are franchises, which means they all have to get their produce from the franchise owner. So you get it nation wide, rather than where the market is mainly muslim.
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More Jews than Muslim in uk? No you're right who would have guessed.
 
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badcompany said:
Same thing isn't it except Jews not making a fuss over wanting to have they own way all the time.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Islamic_and_Jewish_dietary_laws

Stunning is not universally accepted either.
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No the difference is, most of the big Jews have a say in. Meaning in the background they say, and people do it.

In short they do it in the sly making sure the public are not aware of it. It's been going on for years. Why do you think only live in Jew areas. You wont find one on a non jew area now will ya?
 
Glaucus said:
at is you opinion, and it makes no sense. How is relaying on scientific findings unscientific.

It is purely you hiring behind the "how do you know" now you can't fight the how do you know position, you move onto an even more stupid position.

It is nothing at like Copernicus, which you obviously have no idea about.
Unlike that situation, we do not need to continually fudge the theory on if animals feel pain.
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Conflation and intransigence.
 
Sho said:
No the difference is, most of the big Jews have a say in. Meaning in the background they say, and people do it.

In short they do it in the sly making sure the public are not aware of it. It's been going on for years. Why do you think only live in Jew areas. You wont find one on a non jew area now will ya?
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Wouldn't pretend to know sorry it's not like that where I live.
 
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