Soldato
Halal, is it meat you're looking for?
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It does get one massive thing wrong right at the end though. Praying isn't the only difference, 10% in the uk and even more from abroad are not stunned. That's a pretty big error they've made.
Rest of it is funny though.
Man of Honour
Imported lambs from NZ have been halal for years because their biggest exports are to the middle east. Do people still have a problem?
All NZ meat is stunned including halal, unless it's changed very recently.
So no there isn't any issue, unless the rules have changed.
Why we can't do the same is mind boggling. there should be no exceptions granted for non stunning.
Caporegime
Why cant people separate their own "indifference" and appreciate other people can find it abhorrent?
That's what is so stupid about these replies... its "i don't care so why should you?" over and over and over.
Some people care. Like some people care enough to follow a religion that says you cant eat pork or your cow has to bleed to death.
Both sides are vocal minorities.
That's what is so stupid about these replies... its "i don't care so why should you?" over and over and over.
Some people care. Like some people care enough to follow a religion that says you cant eat pork or your cow has to bleed to death.
Both sides are vocal minorities.
Man of Honour
Can you give any evidence on Muslims wanting 'they own way' all the time?
It was the fact it was halal that was the problem, in the main.
Doesn't look like that in this thread. There are some against halal totally, but the majority, my self included is the non stunning exceptions granted by the UI, for roughly 10% of halal meat.
And the poor labelling.
Caporegime
They are making demands all the time man
Muslim protesters take to London's streets to demand shops stop selling alcohol
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-brick-lane-protest-muslim-2926404#ixzz31IuWqE5j
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Muslims demand gay marriage exemption
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BIRMINGHAM: Up to 25,000 British Pakistani men, women and children from across the UK gathered in Aston Park here to express their love for Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him) and to call on the British government to introduce legislation that bars Islamophobes from insulting Islam under the garb of the freedom of speech.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-Ne...ly-in-UK-to-demand-end-to-anti-Islam-speeches
It would probably be easier for you to produce a list of things that muslims in the UK haven't demanded...?
Man of Honour
Whilst I agree with that, the threads we've had recently have been more about hatred of Muslims and them being seen to impose their requirements. Whether true if not doesn't matter to these people.
Stun all animals, say any words you want while they are stunned. I see no difference, and don't understand those that do.
[edit]this was aimed at Glaucus. This thread is about halal meat. I don't see why alcohol sales are linked.
Stun all animals, say any words you want while they are stunned. I see no difference, and don't understand those that do.
[edit]this was aimed at Glaucus. This thread is about halal meat. I don't see why alcohol sales are linked.
The point is not all are stunned. And as halal isn't required to be labelled you can't easily avoid it.
Only kosher and halal can get exceptions to not stun.
This is the big issue and is what the majority of this thread is.
Caporegime
It's not a hatred against muslims for asking, I think its the hatred that our own country tends to cave into the demands. But the more muslims you have in a country, the bigger voice they will have and the more emboldened they will feel to make more demands. By allowing the demands to get through we are showing that we are weak and are making the country more attractive to more muslims, taking us back to the start. So it snowballs and then suddenly you find yourself with a population that feels it can demand anything, based soley on religious ground, trampling over other peoples human rights, and laws that had been put in place to best protect the animals themselves.
For me the problem is a physical one and a societal one at the same time, and only focusing on the 'is it stunned is it not stunned' element completely ignores the wider issues of paving the way for yet more demands and a bigger voice to be heard and appeased. Making uk food halal as standard completely ignores animal welfare and it lays down the foundation for further islamification. This isn't rocket science - what I don't understand is that you are all intelligent people here, how can you either ignore both of these issues and hide behind a stance that you don't care either way?
Man of Honour
Explain that to badcompany et al.
[edit]islamification. See? TRM isn't interested in the stunning element Glaucus. They don't want halal because its halal. It's not about stunning.
[edit]islamification. See? TRM isn't interested in the stunning element Glaucus. They don't want halal because its halal. It's not about stunning.
You always get some, this is GD, and well general public will probably have a similar proportion.
Making stuff halal is not ignoring animal welfare as 90% is no different to normal meat. Other than a prayer.
There is also no need for it to become standard if it was labelled,
This is not a Muslim shouting thing, this is a business cost choice. Thanks to poor labelling regulations.
The vast majority do not care that it's stunned, all the big muslim bodies agree stunning is fine as the animal is still alive. Hence 90% uk halal meat production is stunned, 100% of NZ meat production is stunned.
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Man of Honour
This is my point. The moderate ones amongst us care only about welfare of the animals, etc. these others care more about 'sending them back'.
This is the way I see it tbh.
For me it's not so much an issue with the methods used, it's more about how as a society we somehow feel obliged, to irreversibly alter aspects of the food production process - for a minority and for *supernatural reasons* which pretty much don't exist.
Caporegime
I'm afraid to say, halal cannot be stunned. That's why the lamb from NZ isnt sold as being halal, although it was killed in some ways associated to halal they cannot label it as such.
But by even talking about the religious element of this and when considering the halal requirement is one of pure pandering to a religious entity, what about everyone who isn't a muslim? You are effectively dismissing their religious credence, if you're not a muslim then by defacto you don't think halal is right and why should your food have been blessed to another god. this might deeply anger your own god, in whatever religious you happen to believe in. if you are so keen to allow halal to be sold un marked or by defacto in schools, then the religious sensitive's of every other non muslim group is being completely ignored and walked all over.
That's because you've already been conditioned to think that Islam is a special case and should overrule law, animal welfare rights and all other religions? Not once in my thread did I say send anyone back. that is a highly offensive and borderline racist accusation.
Its easy to identify the ones that simply want to 'send them back' - its the same people yabbering on in the same 'muslamic' threads. I've learnt to ignore these trolls as they just re-iterate the same bigoted views over and over again, but in different threads and are not actually interested in debate - but just getting their bigoted views across - seems they think saying the same thing the loudest they win, lol.
Caporegime
halal can be stunned and is sold as halal.
I don't think so. The main two halal bodies in the uk differ on their stance. One says absolutely not. The other says it's okay but with and I quote their faq miniscule amperage. Which leads me to wonder if they are actually 'stunned' at all.