A load of ******** have you read what Quran says? Give me some examples then please.
Halal, is it meat you're looking for?
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A load of ******** have you read what Quran says? Give me some examples then please.
Just so we know a lot of NZ farmers kill their stock by shooting it in the head in a field and getting a butcher to pick it up. Sometimes 2 or 3 shots are needed, especially if they are getting their kid to do it.
That's not illegal over there.
Caporegime
Sort of like... Boom head shot?
In actual fact what the HFA have done is no longer accept Mechanically Slaughtered Poultry...the Poultry is still stunned with a Vet present to ensure both the animal is stunned and is still alive. So they do still certify Stunned Meat, but it has to be done in a specific manner so that the animal is verify as being stunned and not killed before slaughter. This complies with the EU Regulations.
http://halalfoodauthority.com/images/pdfs/HFAstanceonstunning.pdf
As you can see from the above..no they haven't rejected stunning at all, they have simply told all their certified slaughterhouses that stun animals to comply with the directive by following the aforementioned criteria. Please actually check what you are stating before posting something which is false so authoritatively.
The HFA also support legally binding labelling of Halal foods to be legislated by the Government.
http://halalfoodauthority.com/images/pdfs/HFASUPPORTMEATLABELLING.pdf
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Farmers are ruthless over there, the butchers are even worse...
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Quid pro quo Castiel
Why is it atheists and racists alike often seem unable to comprehend they are the thing they hate.
Quid pro quo Castiel
Why is it atheists and racists alike often seem unable to comprehend they are the thing they hate.
Soldato
Why do Muslim need halal meat and what happens if they rat non halal.
Serious question.
Serious question.
Or am stuck in the 70s! In most cases a Muslim would not have to eat Non Halal meat and if they are forced to, either through necessity or by deliberate intervention then that is not prohibited. The beliefs are quite clearly based on common health grounds during the informative period of Islam with some others carried over from the beliefs and customs of the peoples who made up the first Islamic Juris. Things like the prohibition of eating Carrion (hence why the animal must be alive when slaughtered) are quite obvious why you wouldn't eat such when contamination would be likely and dangerous in a period with no access to the medicines we have today...Pork is a hold over from Judaism and pre-Islamic Animism as is alter sacrifice and practices that may be associated with it. Many practices, such as goring and strangling as well as the requirement for the animal to be killed quickly and out of sight of other animals being slaughtered is about Animal Welfare as is the Husbandry and Raising requirements.
The necessity to name god before slaughtering however is more tenuous..the Quran actually states before Eating (like saying Grace) not before slaughtering..but custom and tradition (hadith) make up a large part of Islamic Juris and therefore it is commonly interpreted as it is today...but how that sits with the fact that Halal only applies to Meat, yet the requirement in the Quran states Food is anyone's guess.
Caporegime
They explode.
Wait no, they do that when they eat it too.
I jest, it's actually a complex issue.
Some consider all food, except the stuff expressly forbidden (pork being one example), to be ok to consume. Others say stuff prepared by Christians and Jews is ok as they also follow the one true God, again minus the expressly forbidden stuff.
The basic outcome though is no entry in to paradise.
The atheist answer is sweet FA
Regarding the 10% that are not stunned, what's the point? If meat isn't labeled or just labeled Halal how would one go about obtaining non-stunned? Or are there local butchers that only sell that type?
As a poster above mentioned, I also thought cattle were given the bolt gun treatment first. Is that how they're stunned under the Halal method?
As a poster above mentioned, I also thought cattle were given the bolt gun treatment first. Is that how they're stunned under the Halal method?
Weren't they banned in the BSE fiasco, as they actually destroy part of the brain and thus can enter the bold stream.
And no, as the cattle have to remain alive so its done by electric stun.
Meat is labelled halal, as already said there's two main halal certificates, one stun one doesn't so it's easy for them to choose.
It's very hard for the rest of us to choose as companies do not have to label and thus lots of companies using just one supplier label the halal sales as halal and then not labelling it for us even though it's exactly the same.
The utterly stupid thing is like usual the kosher and halal has been shown to be complete BS, funny how God keeps getting things wrong. The reason it's got to be alive is to drain the blood via the heart. As both artery and vein are cut the heart plays little part and it's actually gravity that does it, with zero difference between alive slicing and dead. So we should all be moving to killing rather than stunning. Unfortunately even non halal stuff isn't done this way, there's so few slaughter houses that kill rather than stun, it's virtually impossible to find. Which is disgusting. Now we know and have known for sometime it's gravity not the heart. If I could buy such meat I would do my best to only buy it.
And no, as the cattle have to remain alive so its done by electric stun.
Meat is labelled halal, as already said there's two main halal certificates, one stun one doesn't so it's easy for them to choose.
It's very hard for the rest of us to choose as companies do not have to label and thus lots of companies using just one supplier label the halal sales as halal and then not labelling it for us even though it's exactly the same.
The utterly stupid thing is like usual the kosher and halal has been shown to be complete BS, funny how God keeps getting things wrong. The reason it's got to be alive is to drain the blood via the heart. As both artery and vein are cut the heart plays little part and it's actually gravity that does it, with zero difference between alive slicing and dead. So we should all be moving to killing rather than stunning. Unfortunately even non halal stuff isn't done this way, there's so few slaughter houses that kill rather than stun, it's virtually impossible to find. Which is disgusting. Now we know and have known for sometime it's gravity not the heart. If I could buy such meat I would do my best to only buy it.
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There is no physical 'need' or requirement for halal meat, the need is purely psychological because the practice of eating halal is merely a doctrine.
There are no physical issues relating to a Muslim person eating non-halal meat because the physiology of a Muslim human is the same as a non-muslim human.
Any issues a Muslim will have eating non-halal will be purely psychological and is based upon what has been fed into the individuals mind regarding non-halal meat. Things like "the blood hasn't been drained" or "pigs eat their own ****" are designed as a psychological barrier to eating non-halal food and are typically taught at a young age.
So whatever happens when a muslim eats non-halal, you can be sure it is all contained within the individual's mind.
Soldato
This thread title is making me think of Lionel Richie's career after The Commodores in a whole new light! 
I'm saying that is as simple as banning ritual slaughter and as pointless. There is no need to ban slaughter, equally there is no need to ban ritual slaughter. Just label the damn food and then that really is as simple as that.
You could say that there is some need to ban ritual slaughter where the animal isn't stunned as this is the law that applies to non religious slaughter for animal welfare reasons.