Halal, is it meat you're looking for?

zoomee said:
Its easy to identify the ones that simply want to 'send them back' - its the same people yabbering on in the same 'muslamic' threads. I've learnt to ignore these trolls as they just re-iterate the same bigoted views over and over again, but in different threads and are not actually interested in debate - but just getting their bigoted views across - seems they think saying the same thing the loudest they win, lol.
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Like running-man who ignores all evidence to the contrary and still decides to spout nonsense.
 
The Running Man said:
I don't think so. The main two halal bodies in the uk differ on their stance. One says absolutely not. The other says it's okay but with and I quote their faq miniscule amperage. Which leads me to wonder if they are actually 'stunned' at all.
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Rubbish, every single large Muslim body, council, etc all allow stunning.

Younare utterly clueless. Lola wonder if they are stunned, despite strict government checks, not just in the UL but other countries.

You are absolutely one of those who are send them back, have no logical stance etc.

How can you ignore every report on slaughter houses, ignore what UL Muslim council and other Muslim bodies say. All the big ones agree stunning is fine.
As the stipulation in the Koran is that it has to be alive and healthy, stunning doesn't kill.

And ignore rspca the old FWCA reports etc, that all agree around 90% are stunned.


But yeah keep ignoring all the facts and peddling your BS.
 
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Glaucus said:
Rubbish, every single large Muslim body, council, etc all allow stunning.

Younare utterly clueless. Lola wonder if they are stunned, despite strict government checks, not just in the UL but other countries.

You are absolutely one of those who are send them back, have no logical stance etc.
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So if I go to here:

http://www.halalhmc.org/IssueOfMSandStunning.htm

Also what needs to be understood is that there is no pressure from the side of the government of the United Kingdom forcing Muslims to adopt such inhumane methods of slaughter. Therefore because of all the negative aspects of stunning, the Halal Monitoring Committee has set a blanket ruling disallowing stunning in any form.
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Am I mis reading this ?
 
Glaucus said:
Like running-man who ignores all evidence to the contrary and still decides to spout nonsense.
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Agreed - its VERY easy to see the pattern as its the same people saying the same rubbish in the same 'muslamic threads'.

Its easy to link individuals to the promotion of their own political agenda too - take badcompany for example. Well known stout supporter of UKIP, look in main GD page - he started a Poll on who you going to vote for (showing his political aim here) - he's in every muslamic thread, and anti-immigration one too.

It's not exactly rocket science - These racists (I call them that as they are quick to single out a specific type of people - specific type in this case being muslims (before they start crying out about islam not being a race - racism is actually applied to people who have a commonality - not just religion)).

Its pathetic really - Keyboard Warriors that think they are going to change the world by trolling lol - they have no idea (like RTM) for example that there are two Halal monitoring commitees in the UK. ALL of these large establishments who sell Halal meat are certified as using the stunned method - but they ignore this and peddle their hatred based upon propoganda tripe from the DM and UKIP - honestly its actually the sort of knowledge depth I would expect from a teenager not an adult.
 
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The Running Man said:
So what debate can you have when you are so entrenched in your position that you couldn't even look up the uk halal standards organisations and check their own policies>?
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More patheticness from you.
Off course one has such a policy as 10% isn't stunned. They are not a Muslim council or another big Muslim body.
Again all the bifpg Muslim bodies agree stunning is fine. As long as the animal isn't killed I'm the stunning.

All NZ meat is stunned and imported to Muslim countries as well as US, where again all the big Muslim bodies in those countries agree it is fine and have been to NZ and checked the process.
 
^^The Running Man actually has a point with that source. They are the main authority on Halal butchering methods in the UK.
 
Im not sure being insulting or abusive is really helping your case. I've presented my information websites, links, and what you come back with is blanket statements and rhetoric.
 
The Running Man said:
Im not sure being insulting or abusive is really helping your case. I've presented my information websites, links, and what you come back with is blanket statements and rhetoric.
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You haven't provided anything, we already know 10%| Is not stunned and as such is governed by one standard.
This does not go against what I have said, or against a huge mount of reports that quite clearly show you are wrong.

http://halaladvocates.net/site/our-resources/new-zealand-meat-report/

http://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2010/sep/20/halal-meat-the-truth (figures taken from the rspca)

Plus the other links I've already posted in this thread.
"but yet you ignore all facts, so I'm not entrenched, my view is backed up by facts. Your side ignores all facts which makes you and ????, it's not abusive, it's just what someone is who ignores all logic. Only such people would ignore the sheer volume of reports and comments from the big Islamic bodies.
 
craptakular said:
This thread is halalarious.
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lol that it is. Same old bigots.

HFA authorise the stunning method.
HMC do not.

Check all the large retailers that you suspect of selling Halal meat- Its All HFA certified Halal meat (for the simple minded folk - pre-stunned)

Those muslims that are strict will only eat HMC certified meat. Those that aren't will eat either. So in effect IF these large retailers were 'pandering to the muslims' as some people here are making out - they would only sell HMC meat.

But hey lets not let facts get in the way here - That a business could sell meat to both mainstream muslims and the main populace (thus enhancing their profits).
 
zoomee said:
Agreed - its VERY easy to see the pattern as its the same people saying the same rubbish in the same 'muslamic threads'.

Its easy to link individuals to the promotion of their own political agenda too - take badcompany for example. Well known stout supporter of UKIP, look in main GD page - he started a Poll on who you going to vote for (showing his political aim here) - he's in every muslamic thread, and anti-immigration one too.

It's not exactly rocket science - These racists (I call them that as they are quick to single out a specific type of people - specific type in this case being muslims (before they start crying out about islam not being a race - racism is actually applied to people who have a commonality - not just religion)).

Its pathetic really - Keyboard Warriors that think they are going to change the world by trolling lol - they have no idea (like RTM) for example that there are two Halal monitoring commitees in the UK. ALL of these large establishments who sell Halal meat are certified as using the stunned method - but they ignore this and peddle their hatred based upon propoganda tripe from the DM and UKIP - honestly its actually the sort of knowledge depth I would expect from a teenager not an adult.
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They are teenagers, and bullies; the analogy fits perfectly. They are the ones from a deprived background with no father figure, raging at the world through their own insecurities. They are the ones who want other peoples toys and their own and don't care how they get them. They are like the ones that will walk around spitting and fighting and harassing and raging because nobody and nothing takes them seriously, and nor should they.

They are the evil they so profess not to be. And they are a threat to our society and our way of life.
 
Glaucus you are being abusive though, maybe out of frustration at TRM but still.

I haven't read the entirety of this thread but i'm sure this was mentioned.....

I'm curious...is it still the case that in the UK, that halal and kosher meat are exempt from a section of UK Law in "The Welfare of Animals Regulations 1995' which requires that all animals are to be stunned before they are slaughtered?

My next question is - why is religious consideration being put above UK Law on animal treatment?

Also note that plenty of EU countries have already removed the religious exemption in this particular area....and sensibly so.

What should happen is the Jewish and Muslim communities should be adapting their beliefs in accordance with how the animal is slaughtered according to UK law (which is about health and safety and eithical treatment of animals). They shouldnt be seeking exemptions or changes to the law...rather they should merely adapt a little. How hard would that be?
 
Perhaps I am, and I apologise, it's very much out of frustration, when he clearly has an agenda and ignores all reports. Does he think RSPCA FAWC etc just reports are falsified and say they are stunned when they aren't.

Yes they are still exempt, however it's only about 10% that are exempt from stunning, the others happily pre stun and the big Muslim bodies say it's fine to stun. Hence only about 10% not being stunned fir some minority groups.
As long as the stunning doesn't kill then they are fine with it as it's still fulfils halal practice.

Why we bend to religion, no idea, but it's part of the general allow people to believe what they want, but there's no need for that in this instance. As they could easily move vegetarian or fish etc and that would only be a small group anyway.

One or two have removed the no stunning, but still allow halal.

Sign the petition above and hopefully goverment will be forced to at least pay it lip service.

Most Muslim communities are happy with UK law on animal welfare as the stats back up.
 
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The Running Man said:
It's not a hatred against muslims for asking, I think its the hatred that our own country tends to cave into the demands. But the more muslims you have in a country, the bigger voice they will have and the more emboldened they will feel to make more demands. By allowing the demands to get through we are showing that we are weak and are making the country more attractive to more muslims, taking us back to the start. So it snowballs and then suddenly you find yourself with a population that feels it can demand anything, based soley on religious ground, trampling over other peoples human rights, and laws that had been put in place to best protect the animals themselves.

For me the problem is a physical one and a societal one at the same time, and only focusing on the 'is it stunned is it not stunned' element completely ignores the wider issues of paving the way for yet more demands and a bigger voice to be heard and appeased. Making uk food halal as standard completely ignores animal welfare and it lays down the foundation for further islamification. This isn't rocket science - what I don't understand is that you are all intelligent people here, how can you either ignore both of these issues and hide behind a stance that you don't care either way?
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Stunning post and 100% right.
 
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