Halal only outlets

[HamZilla]

The quality of halal meat is questionable to say the least in the local halal (South Asian) butchers that sell it where I live. The chickens are yellow or clearly bleached white.
I cannot eat any red meat from them as it gives me IBS and cramps. I have to go to Edgware Road for that and the difference is night and day. The shop is clean, the chopping area is clean, the display counter is clean. The meat is fresh and well presented.

I think my allergy is more to do with the source of the meat and what it has been fed on rather than just the hygiene though.

 

[RetiredGreyFox]

I love OCUK.
Meat eaters getting all high & mighty about how their meat ends up on the table.
Pathetic.

 

[scorza]

You're joking, right?

Halal only fast food joints have existed for longer than I can remember.

Well maybe, but KFC certainly has never been halal only. You always knew you could go into any KFC in the country and get a Big Daddy burger, now it seems you have to check in advance if they are halal only or not, or better still boycott KFC entirely (which isn't a bad thing to do anyway ).

You are completely and utterly bonkers.

The company has taken the burger off the menu because Islamic dietary law forbids Muslims to eat anything which has been prepared on the same premises as pork, which is itself strictly forbidden.

 

[RDM]

How can halal, which is a completely voluntary code in this country be discriminateing against McDonalds? Do bacon butty sellers discriminate against muslims? Do vegetarian restaurants discriminate against meat eaters? Do McDonalds discriminate against people that actually like real food? Your statement was, in the nicest way possible, completely and utterly bonkers.

 

[Yas786]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1260286/KFC-diner-told-bacon-burger--halal.html

Looks like halal-only fast food outlets are here in the UK now

Good and about time too....good thing my local KFC is now halaal...mmmm zinger halaal burgers are the win

Now if only McD's would follow suit it would be mucho better as well...mind you i only eat fillet fish burgers at McD's but a nice halaal Big Mac would be nice once in a while

I love OCUK.
Meat eaters getting all high & mighty about how their meat ends up on the table.
Pathetic.

LOL hear hear and i bet half the numpties in here couldnt tell the difference between halaal and non halaal meat...if it wasnt labelled that is

 

[scorza]

Do bacon butty sellers discriminate against muslims?

Yes.

Do vegetarian restaurants discriminate against meat eaters?

Yes.

Discrimination is sometimes unavoidable, in this case the Halal requirements ensure that Muslims are either discriminated against or discriminate against non-Muslims.

Good and about time too....good thing my local KFC is now halaal...mmmm zinger halaal burgers are the win

Now if only McD's would follow suit it would be mucho better as well...mind you i only eat fillet fish burgers at McD's but a nice halaal Big Mac would be nice once in a while

Hate to break it to you but Fillet'o'Fish burgers aren't Halal as McDonalds prepare bacon and sausage on premises.

 

[Rich_L]

What a retarded thread.

Last time I checked the Human Rights Act, I don't believe the 'Burger King' right to 'have it your way' is included in there.

 

[RDM]

LOL hear hear and i bet half the numpties in here couldnt tell the difference between halaal and non halaal meat...if it wasnt labelled that is

Surely the argument can be turned around the other way too? Or is it not the same because God told you to do it. Not to mention that many people do actually care somewhat about the welfare of the animals they eat. Hence the drive for free range etc. Personally I am not too fussed, but I do think that if we have animal welfare laws then special exemptions should not be made just because of religion. Either it is OK to let an animal bleed out or it isn't. Though slaughter rules vary per the animal it does seem that, other than for religious reasons, it has been decided that letting an animal bleed out is not a human slaughter method. Why then should religons get exemptions?

 

[RopAyy]

I think the only thing that really bothers me here is (as im from bradford) the lack of choice as its halal only in most places now with it been a majority muslim place these days, i can no longer get a decent subway as they removed the bacon (my fav bit) and replaced it with 'Turkey bacon' not quite the same for me im afraid!
The reason they usualy dont have choice of halal/non halal is down to the fact that halal meat cannot come into contact with non halal meet at any time, it would increase costs to store the meat in seperate places and on top of that have seperate grills to cook it all on!

 

[LabR@t]

halal should be banned tbh.

its cruel ban it

 

[territt]

LOL hear hear and i bet half the numpties in here couldnt tell the difference between halaal and non halaal meat...if it wasnt labelled that is

I couldn't tell the difference between meat that comes from a animal killed humanly and one that's been cut up while still alive, but I know which one I would buy and which one I would avoid.

 

[Slyman2k4]

I couldn't tell the difference between meat that comes from a animal killed humanly and one that's been cut up while still alive, but I know which one I would buy and which one I would avoid.

Clearly the latter as fear makes the meat a lot tastier. I would know, I am a meat connoisseur and I wear a monocle.

 

[[TW]Fox]

It just seems like anti progress to move to killing things in a special way because you say a special thing to the animal to bless it before killing it

I guess I just dont know enough about it, but on the surface it seems a bit odd?

 

[PMKeates]

It just seems like anti progress to move to killing things in a special way because you say a special thing to the animal to bless it before killing it

It's not so much as what you say, but the way that you kill the animal. For meat to be halal, it's throat will have been cut in a certain fashion, and the belief is the animal dies without suffering.

If people are willing to pay to have animals killed in a certain way, then I don't see the problem. It's not a lot different to organic food or "local produce". Ideally, of course, people wouldn't care about such irrationalities, but I certainly wouldn't go so far as to say that serving the demand is discrimination towards those who don't want the products.

 

[RDM]

If people are willing to pay to have animals killed in a certain way, then I don't see the problem.

I will admit I haven't done a huge amount of research on the subject of animal slaughter so I could be wrong, but I don't think it is quite as simple as that. Halal and Kosher are given special exemptions with regards to what is considered humane slaughter methods in the UK. So if you wanted to slaughter meat in a halal fashion but without the God bit it would not be allowed. So somewhere down the line we have decided the slaughter method is not humane but have allowed an exception for religious reasons. Not really sure I agree with that.

However I do not think that a company that decides to just stock halal meat is discriminating in anyway.

Link for an Independant Article that would suggest this is the case:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ligious-slaughter-say-scientists-1712241.html

 

[krooton]

Pigs are ****in filthy and eat their own ****.

I would rather eat my own **** tbh.

Incorrect. My gf had a pig as a pet growing up. They are VERY clean, they actually designate an area in the living space as a toilet, and only go there. They don't eat their own crap either.

The whole 'dirty' image comes from the fact they like mud baths... oddly, something we humans do in spas nowadays.

As for Asim not eating them because they are fat and ugly... which animals do you find attractive enough to eat then? lol!

 

[task]

Sooner we stop pandering to religious idiots the faster soicety can advance.

The price of faith and the things carried out in the name of it are astounding.

 

[jamoor]

Oh no!
Private enterprise tries to make more money, shock horror!

If you don't like what they serve, go elsewhere, they will go bankrupt if people keep doing that.

 

[mrk]

Halal isn't just for meat based foods but also covers every food and manufactured prodct ever and this is why I think it's sometimes hilariously hypocritical when even people I know demand something be halal yet they'll be there first thing in the morning spraying on Lynx that contains Alcohol denat or using toothpaste that contains a non halal extract as an ingredient.

My view is simple. I eat Halal meats (main meals etc) but won't eat Pork, Beef etc (the obvious non-halal stuff) but I'm not going to question small things like the ingredient of my aftershave or the oil my chips are fried in at BK which a lot of people seem to faff about or the E numbers on my sweet packets or the chicken drum sticks I get from the Sainsburys take-out section.

All major religions offer countless means of being forgiven for your sins whether they were committed knowingly or not. How else would priests who bugger boys go to heaven eh

 

[Dave M]

any peer reviewed studies into the suffering of animals in real world conventional slaughter houses and halal ones?

In perfect circumstances a sharp knife through the the jugular will cause no more suffering than being stunned with electrodes. Have you ever cut yourself with a new stanley knife? I didn't even know I had until I felt the blood trickle down my leg, just thought I'd cut my trousers and got lucky.

Would I know if I'd been cut through the jugular with such a sharp knife before I passed out from loss of blood? I'm not sure I would.

The issue, imo, lies with the less than perfect kill, you know, the ones that happen in the real world with staff in the slaughterhouse on minimum wage.

We know the electrode doesn't always stun them in one go - due to servicing or operation, it just doesn't.

I'd guess the guy with the knife doesn't always get the jugular in one go either, and maybe it isn't always as sharp as it should be either.

The only fact is meat is murder, your supporting the killing of animals for your pleasure. I'm happy with that and eat meat but if you need to kid yourself to eat meat maybe you just shouldn't.