Halal only outlets

RDM said:
Halal and Kosher are given special exemptions with regards to what is considered humane slaughter methods in the UK.
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If that is the case, then I would not support the continued use of halal or kosher slaughter methods. I don't think there should be a special dispensation in these cases, and that religious practises should be subject to as much scrutiny and regulation as anything else.
 
Khaaan! said:
or using toothpaste that contains a non halal extract as an ingredient.
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Can't comment about your friends most people do look ;), bit of trivia for you;
In your local supermarket watch how much quicker the Colgate sensitive disappears off the shelves compared to its normal alternative (which contains alcohol)

It's one of the reasons Mars removed pork-gelatine from their products, people found out about it and stopped buying the products.
They saw a impact on their sales and changed it to a vegetable based one


As for the slaughter method, there are 2 main methods used for those who are interested

One is stunning the chicken and then killing it, this is used by the majority if not all of the butchers in the UK in accordance to the regulations set out;
Most Muslims and scholars believe this is acceptable.

As always there is a subset who don't, they believe in the 'strict', method of doing it with a knife without stunning them, they essentially are using people ignorance of the process to sell this sort of meat to them
This is a good article explaining the situation:
http://www.organic-halal-meat.com/article/stunning.php
As always half truths and downright lies are how we are in this situation, and most people will not bother to find out for themselves if someone they trust has said this too them (what is particularly worrying i found is that they are now being told this by people in authority),

the RSPCA doesn't help by pandering to this same ignorance to further their own cause, i have yet to see an article by them which is accurate for the way animals are slaughtered in the UK by halal butchers. Their own factsheet about halal killing methods conceded 'Around 90 percent of Halal slaughter involved pre-stunning'

Most fast food places adhere to the first one (stun and then kill).
If someone can provide a study/source to prove that the animal suffers more when it is stunned then killed than traditional methods used in battery farms, feel free.
 
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scorza said:
Hate to break it to you but Fillet'o'Fish burgers aren't Halal as McDonalds prepare bacon and sausage on premises.
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Hate to break it to you but fish isnt halaal in the same way that lamb, chicken or beef would be regarded as halaal;)...i dont know if they allow the fish to come into contact with pork products...i imagine they dont.

Only fish that we muslims arent allowed to eat are the ones that eat other fish ie predatory fish like sharks etc....but even then thats a bit of a sticking point as ive been told we cant eat prawns, lobster or crabs as they are scavengers...i have done a lot of research and asked various islamic scholars that i know and even they are stumped somewhat with regards to eating those types of fish/seafood.
 
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scorza said:
The delicious burger that is under threat in the UK:

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RIP :(
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LOL you really are something else...the delicious burger thats under threat...what are you a Daily fail reader??

Khaaan! said:
Halal isn't just for meat based foods but also covers every food and manufactured prodct ever and this is why I think it's sometimes hilariously hypocritical when even people I know demand something be halal yet they'll be there first thing in the morning spraying on Lynx that contains Alcohol denat or using toothpaste that contains a non halal extract as an ingredient.

My view is simple. I eat Halal meats (main meals etc) but won't eat Pork, Beef etc (the obvious non-halal stuff) but I'm not going to question small things like the ingredient of my aftershave or the oil my chips are fried in at BK which a lot of people seem to faff about or the E numbers on my sweet packets or the chicken drum sticks I get from the Sainsburys take-out section.

All major religions offer countless means of being forgiven for your sins whether they were committed knowingly or not. How else would priests who bugger boys go to heaven eh :p
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Agreed but beef can be halaal too;)...growing up in Canada i used to go out with my dad to the slaughter house...buy a cow then kill it via the halaal way..same with chickens and lambs...and yes i did actually partake in the cutting of the throat of the cow, chicken or lamb and it never bothered me in the slightest....even my brother in Canada does the same thing that my dad used to do...,mmmm halaal ribeye, sirloin and filet mignon steaks for the absolute win \o/:D:D
 
Telescopi said:
I'd guess the guy with the knife doesn't always get the jugular in one go either, and maybe it isn't always as sharp as it should be either.
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Well everytime ive been to a halaal cutting party:p...ive always noticed the fella thats doing the slitting always sharpens his knife before cutting the throat. But perhaps some dont really take that much care to ease the suffering caused by slitting the throat...i imagine a dull blade isnt going to make things easy but i would hope they would at least sharpen the blade before slitting the throat.
 
Ah yes I know there's halal beef, When I visit friends and family in London we go buy halal burgers, donor kebabs and so on.

So tasty!

There's a Ken';s Fried Chicken here in Fareham now so I think a visit is in order as I'm hungry!
 
JAMAL said:
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOOOOLOLOLOLOLO


http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17972-animals-feel-the-pain-of-religious-slaughter.html
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:rolleyes: how old are you?? 10??...i dont agree with stunning the animal before they are killed..that in itself causes a fair amount of grief...whereas the halaal method imo is much more humane.

Khaaan! said:
Ah yes I know there's halal beef, When I visit friends and family in London we go buy halal burgers, donor kebabs and so on.

So tasty!

There's a Ken';s Fried Chicken here in Fareham now so I think a visit is in order as I'm hungry!
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Doner is lamb;) lol...but yes i do love my halaal beef burgers although not easy to track down here in london...and even when you do they are not that nice:p
 
Spawn said:
:rolleyes: how old are you?? 10??...i dont agree with stunning the animal before they are killed..that in itself causes a fair amount of grief...whereas the halaal method imo is much more humane.
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Genuine question, what grief does it cause? :)
 
I just read on wiki that blood is against halal. Surely its not possible to completely drain an animal of blood; therefore they are committing a sin everytime they eat meat as it will still have traces of blood inside it?
 
panthro said:
I just read on wiki that blood is against halal. Surely its not possible to completely drain an animal of blood; therefore they are committing a sin everytime they eat meat as it will still have traces of blood inside it?
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You're applying logic where logic fundamentally has no place.

Like most aspects of religion, it's about blind acceptance, not analytical thinking.

Of course you will never remove the blood from the meat, traces will always be evident (trapped in veins within the muscle tissue etc.), similarly, whatever aspect of the blood that is supposed to be considered (I admit to being ignorant on the exacting details) will almost certainly be evident in other fluids etc. in the tissue.

With regards to the OP, its a private company, if they wish to be 100% Halal then that's their choice, as it is my choice to not eat from them as I believe slitting an animals throat is less humane than stunning it first either via a bolt or massive electric shock. I don't believe there is any just cause to take them to court over it, nobody is forced to eat there!
 
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