Hamilton to Mercedes? BBC
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Make that 101, and still trying to get the last word.
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And go count how many of mine are about all the Ferrari talk in this thread
I'm not counting anything, do it yourself
good post, why are you so angry though?
Do I offend you in some way, genuine question.
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I'm not angry, just tend to speak my mind.
Offend? No. I'm weary of petty points scoring exchanges that spiral out of control and go massively off topic, which has already been covered in one of the other recent F1 threads, if not this one.
Well seems you have an issue with me speaking my mind?
Off topic like this is now you mean?
It's not just you Mr. Men, but you are one of the usual suspects/repeat offenders.
Oh I agree, but it only seems to be me that gets set upon, when everyone can see Skeeter does just the same. Which is puzzling as if people are afraid of him or something.
out of all of us i bet only one of us ever had a post edited by the mods to say this
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=20575109&postcount=54
yet everyone always sees him as the innocent one hmmm..
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The sun, hardly a reliable source but anyway, they are claiming Schumi will announce retirement today and Hamilton is turning down a £36mil offer from Mclaren for a £15mil a year + bonuses that can take it up to £60mil over 3 seasons. Which would only really mean an increase in salary directly if he did very well, though sponsorship would mean he would be pretty massively increasing what he'd get in the next 3 years even without winning much.
The thing is that people still keep ignoring is if Hamilton has no faith in Mclarens ability to put a top car into winning a title, then where is the point in staying with them.
He's had what would be a ridiculous number of points taken away by his teams mistakes in the past 4 years let alone this year. This is by far the most competitive car they've had yet the team's mistakes have cost him any realistic shot at the title once again
History really doesn't go with Mclaren and their ability to win championships at the moment, Brawn does have a history of building title winning cars. If Hamilton has lost faith in the team management, he'd be stupid to stay.
The thing is that people still keep ignoring is if Hamilton has no faith in Mclarens ability to put a top car into winning a title, then where is the point in staying with them.
He's had what would be a ridiculous number of points taken away by his teams mistakes in the past 4 years let alone this year. This is by far the most competitive car they've had yet the team's mistakes have cost him any realistic shot at the title once again
History really doesn't go with Mclaren and their ability to win championships at the moment, Brawn does have a history of building title winning cars. If Hamilton has lost faith in the team management, he'd be stupid to stay.
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Course he won't, Mclaren aren't even slightly interested in the constructors world championship and the simple fact that he can beat Button in every single race because he'll out qualify and out drive him in the race is neither here nor there.
They don't "favour" him, considering they've been letting Button use Hamilton's settings because Button apparently has no idea how to set up a car that doesn't have a huge range of exhaust, engine mapping, double diffusing cornering aids, I would say they've been spending more time helping Button match Hamilton than giving Hamilton loads of advantages.
Fact is he works for them, a new contract for next year is just that, he's still being paid by them and Hamilton is still making money for them, more for every point he gets, much more if they can get the constructors championship, more if Hamilton can sneak the title(though that is stupidly unlikely at this point). Mclaren will try to get him every point he's capable of.
That is of course assuming he goes, confirmation from more than the Sun is required. IF he does go its the right decision, Mclaren might go on and win the next 10 drivers titles, history and experience rather suggests that the team at Mclaren currently isn't a team that can win many titles. Merc aren't doing half bad considering they've had a significantly lower budget and team size for the past 3 years and its only just up to size. Surely Merc with 50% more staff and a higher budget will start to improve in the next season, maybe two and there is the simple other fact also... I think Hamilton/Alonso/Vettel in a Merc THIS season would have significantly more points than a Rosberg anyway. For one, it would mean one of those drivers not getting points in a top car, with a worse driver in one of those cars. If Alonso wasn't at Ferrari and another driver was matching Massa's performance, its likely a Merc with Alonso in would both have qualified higher and done much better in races.
In other words, Merc are probably faster than they appear currently as they don't have a genuinely top driver. I don't think Alonso/Hamilton could push for a title in the current Merc at all... but if the gap is closer than it appears currently, its also less of a gap for Merc to gain on the front guys than people think
They don't "favour" him, considering they've been letting Button use Hamilton's settings because Button apparently has no idea how to set up a car that doesn't have a huge range of exhaust, engine mapping, double diffusing cornering aids, I would say they've been spending more time helping Button match Hamilton than giving Hamilton loads of advantages.
Fact is he works for them, a new contract for next year is just that, he's still being paid by them and Hamilton is still making money for them, more for every point he gets, much more if they can get the constructors championship, more if Hamilton can sneak the title(though that is stupidly unlikely at this point). Mclaren will try to get him every point he's capable of.
That is of course assuming he goes, confirmation from more than the Sun is required. IF he does go its the right decision, Mclaren might go on and win the next 10 drivers titles, history and experience rather suggests that the team at Mclaren currently isn't a team that can win many titles. Merc aren't doing half bad considering they've had a significantly lower budget and team size for the past 3 years and its only just up to size. Surely Merc with 50% more staff and a higher budget will start to improve in the next season, maybe two and there is the simple other fact also... I think Hamilton/Alonso/Vettel in a Merc THIS season would have significantly more points than a Rosberg anyway. For one, it would mean one of those drivers not getting points in a top car, with a worse driver in one of those cars. If Alonso wasn't at Ferrari and another driver was matching Massa's performance, its likely a Merc with Alonso in would both have qualified higher and done much better in races.
In other words, Merc are probably faster than they appear currently as they don't have a genuinely top driver. I don't think Alonso/Hamilton could push for a title in the current Merc at all... but if the gap is closer than it appears currently, its also less of a gap for Merc to gain on the front guys than people think
Just heard it confirmed on BBC Radio 5 Live. Only time will tell whether it is the right move. Mclaren have been giving him a very good car every year (well maybe not in 2009 but then all the top teams were caught out) and Merc have not been great since Brawn. It is a risky move!
Who will join JB? Hopefully Di Resta.
Who will join JB? Hopefully Di Resta.
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Confirmed on BBC 5 Live just now that he's definitely leaving and signing for Mercedes
What a joke, he'll never win a championship there. Greedy *******
What a joke, he'll never win a championship there. Greedy *******
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