Hamilton to Mercedes? BBC
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He's been beaten 3 years in a row by Nico...who doesn't have a particularly stellar reputation. A top class driver would not get beat 3 years in a row by Rosberg.
The MSc in his first career would not get beat by any team-mate 3 years in a row...or even 1 year. I think the only time he got beat was by Irvine and this was because he broke his leg. On merit he has never been beaten by his F1 team-mate.
Nico, is currently a better championship driver than MSc and has been for the last 2.5 years. Plain and simple.
Are there many aero changes in the 2014 regulations (I've not read much other than the engine bits)?
Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne were the 2 head techies which made the great Ferrari cars.
Todt was indeed in charge.
MSc was the driver.
All these individuals played their part.
The way to measure success is race wins, points, championships. Championships are won by points.
I don't think its "primary school level of looking at things" if success is measured by championships.
In football, F1 and in most sports, success is measured by titles/championships.
EDIT: though I do understand where you are coming from. Ferrari almost won in 2010 and are currently leading in 2012.
Not too sure, But if I was designing a new car from the ground up I'd want Newey in my camp.
Front wings are going to be smaller, Construction of front and rear wings is more strictly defined.
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Newey is great with aero but not that good with out.
He said himself that if it wasn't for the aero changes RB would still be a mid field team.
Agreed
. Especially if the smaller engines let him get his tight rear even tighter (ooo err) 
and we got through a hamilton thread without anyone mentioning twitter or liegate.
is it cos he is black
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Ferrari have pretty spent double what Merc have, they SHOULD have done better(and as of today are), so what. a team spending 180mil shouldn't beat a team spending 420mil, just shouldn't. merc have only upped their spending in the past 18 months or so.... even then it was to basically 200mil less than Ferrari last year and 75mil less(because Ferrari dropped massively, supposedly anyway) this season.
Rosberg has been crap this season and I really can't see how in what, 7 finishes Schumi has beaten Rosberg 6 times, while I'm completely guessing here, being outqualified in probably 5 or 6 of those races? Schumacher, race driving, has pawned Rosberg this year, if the car hadn't screwed up 4-5 times he'd be smashing Rosberg(he still might, Rosberg could have all his bad luck in the next races while Schumi gets points finishes in all those remaining.
I still don't think Schumi is back to his best, no reason he should or needs to be, the car isn't the best on the grid, they are competing almost exactly where you would expect given their spending. Lotus are having a particularly good year and Merc a bad on in terms of luck, finishes and car speed vs money next year could be the reverse, that happens. Lotus also have one of the best drivers on the grid, current form, Merc don't come close. Ferrari don't have the best car every year yet outspend everyone, its gives them a much better chance of doing better but there are no certainties.
The money spending will be vastly closer, it is closer this year already, the next few years the money gap will shrink and the number of years the teams have spent closer to each other increases.
Rosberg has been crap this season and I really can't see how in what, 7 finishes Schumi has beaten Rosberg 6 times, while I'm completely guessing here, being outqualified in probably 5 or 6 of those races? Schumacher, race driving, has pawned Rosberg this year, if the car hadn't screwed up 4-5 times he'd be smashing Rosberg(he still might, Rosberg could have all his bad luck in the next races while Schumi gets points finishes in all those remaining.
I still don't think Schumi is back to his best, no reason he should or needs to be, the car isn't the best on the grid, they are competing almost exactly where you would expect given their spending. Lotus are having a particularly good year and Merc a bad on in terms of luck, finishes and car speed vs money next year could be the reverse, that happens. Lotus also have one of the best drivers on the grid, current form, Merc don't come close. Ferrari don't have the best car every year yet outspend everyone, its gives them a much better chance of doing better but there are no certainties.
The money spending will be vastly closer, it is closer this year already, the next few years the money gap will shrink and the number of years the teams have spent closer to each other increases.
Indeed, and why I hope MSc is still driving in 2013.
Brawn joined Nov 2007 (so therefore possibly not able to give too much input into the basic 2008 car) and Honda backed out give or take a year later with Winter 08/09 when Brawn (as a team) came into existance scratching around for cash etc
Bit harsh to blame RBrawn for the lack of success with Honda (Im not 100% sure but I dont believe Honda were backing the team fully after 06, 07 was the disaster of the Earth car, and 08 was the tail off before pulling out completely). Not really comparable to what Ross Brawn had available from Ferrari
Remember also that the Brawn team had to retrofit the merc engine into the car, which probably cost a good percentage of the early season budget (coming out of Fry's /Brawn's pockets)
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you know honda gave brawn enough money to finish the season right?
i doubt brawn or fry spent any of their own money and i doubt either of them were that rich anyway
rest of the money they needed would have no doubt came from sponsors.
most of the 2008 sponsors if not all of them stayed on and brawn got some new sponsors aswell
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I never blamed him at all, I said he has done not a lot, which is correct.
Had I said this 2 weeks ago there would be no outrage, but now Lewis is going there so Brawn must be brilliant all of a sudden.
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I don't get why it bothers you so personally?
It doesn't?
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