Harry and Meghan to resign

OspreyO said:
Religion didn't become "increasingly cult like" it started out like that. As does a monarchy.

When Harry talks about a death cult. That's just how history and monarchy works. I get he's had to grow up in the middle of that, and there been tragedy. But his main issue seems to be because he's a spare and he's basically had no purpose and direction. His antics attract the press. It's straight out of a Shakespeare play. It's not new it's as old as the hills.

He would have been better getting out of the limelight and concentrating on his charitable works especially with his army connections. I Megan has introduced him into her world, and they been courting, milking the celebrity circuit since. I don't think it was the only choice they had. I think it was a bad idea.
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I'm not talking about comments on "death cults".

Religion and cults have a very complex relationship - you get some religions and divisions of those religious which are very open, tolerant, others which are far more closed and with rigid rules and mindset, some becoming far more cult like over time for various reasons often due to corruption of the leaders/elders of the group who like the power it enables - for instance I know one cult like brethren group in the UK where the church elders have all been vaccinated against COVID-19 but it is taboo for their followers who are told to rely on God for protection, etc.

For a bit of background - my parents left a group linked to the Plymouth exclusive brethren just before I was born - it has torn many of my relatives apart as some are still in those and related brethren groups - for instance my gran (sadly passed away recently) has not been allowed any contact with her brothers and sisters since becoming an adult and going her own way - all she has ever seen of them over the years is from a distance at weddings and funerals where they have a minder and are only allowed to say hello.

EDIT: My childhood had many parallels with Son of Rambow despite being one step removed from it - these kind of things have a long reach.

For a bit of context here is one account about the group https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/13040644/exclusive-brethren-secretive-cult-britain/

As an aside this group is highly connected and has done a lot of dubious deals around COVID for example https://www.openandcandid.com/covid-contracts.html (some of these people are my relatives).

The way the Royal Family works in many ways is very similar to that kind of cult for anyone who doesn't just fit in with it.
 
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omnomnom said:
Ahh yes the old "half price" marketing that's been done for years.
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My mum said when she visited Sainsbury's yesterday they had a ton of marketing for it, trying to direct people's interest to it, but it didn't seem to be selling while she was there anyway.
 
VincentHanna said:
Very anecdotal evidence that.

I went to Tesco yesterday and I was the only person who picked up a milk bottle whilst I was in that aisle, therefore milk isn't selling.
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I don't disagree, but people certainly aren't snapping it up, at least not now - when she left the pile of books was basically untouched.
 
Rroff said:
I'm not talking about comments on "death cults".

Religion and cults have a very complex relationship - you get some religions and divisions of those religious which are very open, tolerant, others which are far more closed and with rigid rules and mindset, some becoming far more cult like over time for various reasons often due to corruption of the leaders/elders of the group who like the power it enables - for instance I know one cult like brethren group in the UK where the church elders have all been vaccinated against COVID-19 but it is taboo for their followers who are told to rely on God for protection, etc.

For a bit of background - my parents left a group linked to the Plymouth exclusive brethren just before I was born - it has torn many of my relatives apart as some are still in those and related brethren groups - for instance my gran (sadly passed away recently) has not been allowed any contact with her brothers and sisters since becoming an adult and going her own way - all she has ever seen of them over the years is from a distance at weddings and funerals where they have a minder and are only allowed to say hello.

EDIT: My childhood had many parallels with Son of Rambow despite being one step removed from it - these kind of things have a long reach.

For a bit of context here is one account about the group https://www.thesun.co.uk/fabulous/13040644/exclusive-brethren-secretive-cult-britain/

As an aside this group is highly connected and has done a lot of dubious deals around COVID for example https://www.openandcandid.com/covid-contracts.html (some of these people are my relatives).

The way the Royal Family works in many ways is very similar to that kind of cult for anyone who doesn't just fit in with it.
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Death cult is something Harry said. He was referring partly to the history that the monarchy is built on, figuratively and literally. Then also to the events in his own life.

But considering he won't disconnect fully from it, it rings a little hollow.
 
Rroff said:
My mum said when she visited Sainsbury's yesterday they had a ton of marketing for it, trying to direct people's interest to it, but it didn't seem to be selling while she was there anyway.
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Its the highest selling non fiction book in the first 24 hours ever with it being the best seller on Amazon in the uk and .com.
 
omnomnom said:
Ahh yes the old "half price" marketing that's been done for years.
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www.theguardian.com

‘The monarchy’s a laughing stock’: readers react to Prince Harry’s Spare

Views range from sympathy for the Sussexes in light of treatment by royals and tabloids, to regarding them as being ‘as entitled as the others’
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Prince Harry’s tell-all autobiography has become the UK’s fastest-selling nonfiction book ever. The memoir has been controversial, with Harry making claims that Prince William physically attacked him and accusing his father of putting his own interests first.

The Guardian asked readers – some of whom had already begun reading the book – for their views on the memoir and the publicity around it. Many said their views on the royal family had been changed, while others said it strengthened existing positions. Other readers also made the point that the book was more balanced than had been presented by parts of the media.


Here, eight readers discuss how Spare has changed their opinions on the family rift – as well as the future of the royals as an institution.
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‘I was raised a royalist but now see royal family as out of touch’​

Jane Popplewell: ‘I viewed the late queen respectfully.’
I was brought up a royalist and really just accepted their role without much question. I viewed the late queen respectfully and admired what I saw as her sense of duty and public service.

However, I do now sympathise much more with Harry and consider the treatment of him and Meghan by much of the press to be reprehensible and negatively biased. I found the comments by Jeremy Clarkson absolutely repugnant – I complained to Ipso.

I thought that [Harry and Meghan’s] relationship might herald in a changing of times. I am now really leaning to a view that a hereditary monarchy is out of touch and stands for inequality of opportunity in our country. Jane Popplewell, 60, east Yorkshire, works in adult social care
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‘Harry now seems as entitled as the others’​


My view of the royal family was negative before – I don’t think the UK should be a monarchy. Before the recent publicity I was sympathetic to Harry and Meghan but now I am less so as I think he shows the same level of entitlement as the other Windsors. His remarks about Africa are patronising, and I don’t think the taxpayer should pay for his security while he is living in the US.

I feel sorry for Meghan and even Camilla, I think they get unfairly blamed for breaking up the family. Maybe because they are women and “outsiders”. The monarchy is becoming a laughing stock and I don’t see how it contributes to a positive image of the UK. Rachael, 34, Oxford, copywriter
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Rroff said:
There is a lot more than just money, power and influence, it is essentially being born into a cult - where often they've come to their own beliefs, their own understandings of how the world works, things work a specific way, etc. and there isn't room for individuals who don't just go along with it - worse individuals who by not going along with it questions the very foundations of those beliefs, traditions and so on - something the majority won't want to do, the true believers can't countenance and those whose power are enabled by it can't allow.
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Sounds like the average Trump supporter.
 
OspreyO said:
Death cult is something Harry said. He was referring partly to the history that the monarchy is built on, figuratively and literally. Then also to the events in his own life.

But considering he won't disconnect fully from it, it rings a little hollow.
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Point was my comments in relation to cult or cult like are not related to anything Harry might have said, or other people's agendas or whatever, but recognising something I have some experience with.
 
omnomnom said:
Its a common sales technique for new books. When did you last see a book for sale for £28?

This isnt anything new lmao.
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I can't remember the last time I bought a book or even browsed a book section :p I think the last time was back around 2000 for various courses/studying.
 
Rroff said:
My mum said when she visited Sainsbury's yesterday they had a ton of marketing for it, trying to direct people's interest to it
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need some distraction from the empty egg shelves - assistant told me yesterday the problem had never gone away ..there's space anyway

if 4.5million people (supposedly) watched mini-serie it in the UK, those people who, presumably, aren't having other cost of living problems, must have spare cash for a book.


Tony Edwards said:
www.theguardian.com

‘The monarchy’s a laughing stock’: readers react to Prince Harry’s Spare

Views range from sympathy for the Sussexes in light of treatment by royals and tabloids, to regarding them as being ‘as entitled as the others’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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BBC podcast on H&M https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001gxfl
youguv opinion of harry dropping -even- amongst the young, good analysis by american psychologist explains how speaking your truth and using as much language from your counselling is the thing in the USA.
 
jpaul said:
need some distraction from the empty egg shelves - assistant told me yesterday the problem had never gone away ..there's space anyway
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I had to pop into the supermarket a few days back due to having some vouchers I couldn't use online and compared to the last time I'd been, which I think was pre-pandemic off the top of my head, the lack of choice and amount of missing products or empty shelves was crazy.
 
Rroff said:
Point was my comments in relation to cult or cult like are not related to anything Harry might have said, or other people's agendas or whatever, but recognising something I have some experience with.
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You'd have to assume Harrys own comments about his own life are more accurate than any projection of your own agenda.
 
Rroff said:
I had to pop into the supermarket a few days back due to having some vouchers I couldn't use online and compared to the last time I'd been, which I think was pre-pandemic off the top of my head, the lack of choice and amount of missing products or empty shelves was crazy.
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The Brexit effect....
 
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