Harry and Meghan to resign

Rroff said:
My whole post needs a lot of reworking/expanding to really do what I'm trying to describe justice but something like the Royal Family becomes more like a cult over time, some family businesses can become similar.
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It's called a monarchy.

"....Monarchy thus entails not only a political-administrative organization but also a “court society,” a term coined by the 20th-century German-born sociologist Norbert Elias to designate various groups of nobility that are linked to the monarchical dynasty (or “royal” house) through a web of personal bonds. All such bonds are evident in symbolic and ceremonial proprieties...."

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Monarchy, political system based upon the undivided sovereignty or rule of a single person. The term applies to states in which supreme authority is vested in the monarch, an individual ruler who functions as the head of state and who achieves his or her position through heredity.
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OspreyO said:
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It's called a monarchy.

"....Monarchy thus entails not only a political-administrative organization but also a “court society,” a term coined by the 20th-century German-born sociologist Norbert Elias to designate various groups of nobility that are linked to the monarchical dynasty (or “royal” house) through a web of personal bonds. All such bonds are evident in symbolic and ceremonial proprieties...."

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Monarchy | Definition, Examples, & Facts | Britannica

Monarchy, political system based upon the undivided sovereignty or rule of a single person. The term applies to states in which supreme authority is vested in the monarch, an individual ruler who functions as the head of state and who achieves his or her position through heredity.
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Call it by any name, but this kind of stuff tends to become increasingly cult like in its organisation and administration.
 
You can call any hierarchal organisation a cult. Its on trend to do so.

But this isn't a recent change in behaviour as you suggest. The UK monarchy is over a thousand years, old. Its been doing the same things for a very long time.
 
I know the ghost writer has come out and said "The line between memory and fact is blurry, between interpretation and fact." and that Harry himself said "Whatever the cause, my memory is my memory, it does what it does…and there’s just as much truth in what I remember and how I remember it as there is in so-called objective facts” i.e. if I think it's True then its True even if it's not - but the story directly quoted from his book about doing his military JTAC training in mid 2007 (before going to Afghan the first time in Dec '07) and "targetting his dad's car with a Typhoon" is just filled with so much militarily incorrect guff that it makes the believability of many of his other stories (of which I've no experience to compare to) substantially lower for me, and I wonder if/when his military colleagues who've now left the military might start to speak up to clarify these claims.

I don't doubt for a second that he did JTAC training and that his dad popped up to visit him, but the "targetting the car with a typhoon" section is 100% made up in his own mind and not reality etc.

Whether it's the language used as part of his JTAC "talk on" that he gets very badly wrong (it's not even close to being real in his story), the aircraft later blowing up a silver "barn" on the range (nope, that 100% never happened, no live ranges have silver Barns waiting to get blown up), or if his story about the Typhoon blowing upo a barn is to be believed, that he told a live armed aircraft to target anything that wasn't specifically a pre-agreed target specifically to avoid hitting the wrong thing on a Live range etc - the whole story reeks of "lets take 90% of a story and add a made-up twist to it" and as he's done that for this story, what else has his brain made-up to be more spicy?

Ghostwriter Claims - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-f...-ghostwriter-defends-spare-inaccuracy-claims/
 
OspreyO said:
You can call any hierarchal organisation a cult. Its on trend to do so.

But this isn't a recent change in behaviour as you suggest. The UK monarchy is over a thousand years, old. Its been doing the same things for a very long time.
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I don't band cult around lightly, but I understand what it is like growing up within a system like that, whether religious or other.

I'm not suggesting it is a recent change.
 
Religion didn't become "increasingly cult like" it started out like that. As does a monarchy.

When Harry talks about a death cult. That's just how history and monarchy works. I get he's had to grow up in the middle of that, and there been tragedy. But his main issue seems to be because he's a spare and he's basically had no purpose and direction. His antics attract the press. It's straight out of a Shakespeare play. It's not new it's as old as the hills.

He would have been better getting out of the limelight and concentrating on his charitable works especially with his army connections. I Megan has introduced him into her world, and they been courting, milking the celebrity circuit since. I don't think it was the only choice they had. I think it was a bad idea.
 
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Hasn't this always been a case of feelings over fact. Thats just the modern way. If someone feels wronged then they have been wronged and damn anyone who questions their "truth". Harry has a big ol' chip on his shoulder and now he has got a bunch of people twisting it as hard as they can to get him to spew more vitriol and make them more money. Perhaps the massively dysfunctional world of American celebrity really is the best place for him and Meghan.
 
fez said:
Hasn't this always been a case of feelings over fact. Thats just the modern way. If someone feels wronged then they have been wronged and damn anyone who questions their "truth". Harry has a big ol' chip on his shoulder and now he has got a bunch of people twisting it as hard as they can to get him to spew more vitriol and make them more money. Perhaps the massively dysfunctional world of American celebrity really is the best place for him and Meghan.
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Megan world is showbiz. If they had stayed within the US bubble that might have worked. But he's constantly trying to get back into his old world. He needs to walk way from the firm. For his well being not theirs. He can't seem to let it go unfortunately.

Anyone who's walked away from a toxic environment at work or at home or people knows the relief when you walk away. But you have to stay away from it. Never go back.
 
Freakbro said:
No you can't? Part of what makes a cult is the veneration and devotion to it's leader, which can be applied far more to the Monarchy than it would to say....to the CEO of HSBC :p
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Monarchy always been like that. It hasn't changed.

HSBC. Office politics all in traditional suits. It's a court society just in a corporate context. All the titles and hierarchy of management. CEO sits at the top. Look at all the rockstar CEOs.
 
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OspreyO said:
HSBC. Office politics all in traditional suits. It's a court society just in a corporate context. All the titles and hierarchy of management. CEO sits at the top. Look at all the rockstar CEOs.
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Yes, and a few CEO's would verge into the cult like status of their companys, Elon Musk being a current example (and others). But for the 99% of other large hierarchical structure organisations, I'm pretty sure the CEO's arent venerated by legions of their devoted fans and employees! I don't even know who the CEO of HSBC/Proctor & Gamble/Nestle is :p

And I agree the Monarchy has always been like it, hence why they are more "cult like" than other organisations, plus they do have a lot of religion thrown in as well - another part of the cult definition.

Anyway, it wasn't that serious a point, carry on! :)
 
OspreyO said:
Megan world is showbiz. If they had stayed within the US bubble that might have worked. But he's constantly trying to get back into his old world. He needs to walk way from the firm. For his well being not theirs. He can't seem to let it go unfortunately.

Anyone who's walked away from a toxic environment at work or at home or people knows the relief when you walk away. But you have to stay away from it. Never go back.
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The problem is that Meghan is a C list celebrity over there (has she done anything but Suits?) and Harrys only interest to the US is his ties to the Royal family and he isn't interesting in any real financial capacity if he wasn't selling his family out. Thats their business now unfortunately.
 
Freakbro said:
Yes, and a few CEO's would verge into the cult like status of their companys, Elon Musk being a current example (and others). But for the 99% of other large hierarchical structure organisations, I'm pretty sure the CEO's arent venerated by legions of their devoted fans and employees! I don't even know who the CEO of HSBC/Proctor & Gamble/Nestle is :p

And I agree the Monarchy has always been like it, hence why they are more "cult like" than other organisations, plus they do have a lot of religion thrown in as well - another part of the cult definition.

Anyway, it wasn't that serious a point, carry on! :)
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Cult of Mac/Steve Jobs

I'm sure you don't know all the kings and monarchies either "...there are 43 sovereign states in the world with a monarch as head of state..."
 
fez said:
The problem is that Meghan is a C list celebrity over there (has she done anything but Suits?) and Harrys only interest to the US is his ties to the Royal family and he isn't interesting in any real financial capacity if he wasn't selling his family out. Thats their business now unfortunately.
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Exactly.
 
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