Harry and Meghan to resign

i-bert said:
Written by someone else. Everyone will spin things for their own narrative, will they not?

I agree with the context of what is written in the book, rather than the trash headlines. Just pointing out that they're both playing the same game. There was no need for putting a number on the amount he killed though.
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Probably Harry and Meghan were there threatening him to write tosh.

One of the things Harry mentioned was William asked him to pull the finger. Which then William farted. Harry commented that he couldn’t trust William again.

Over something that almost everyone has done. Grow up!
 
you can listen to the CBS (live) interview, or the excerpts, which explain in H OWN words why he announced the 25, and judge him on the sincerity/honesty of that, - guess it's not in the the twitter silo.

it's like the revelatory Andrew interview, like Truss interviews - I'll go an re-read bravo 2-0 if I want a nice story.
yes they can fool you in a live interview, but if they can't come up with something believable you have your answer
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
So I put "bragging" in quotes because I couldn't think of the right word at the time. What I wanted to put was crass at the time.

Thank you for the link. Bragging was actually the right word.

Maybe I missed it but there is nothing in that paragraph that was read that explains why he felt the need to tell everyone exactly how many people he killed.
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The sentiment behind revealing the bodycount is that it is important to take personal ownership for what he did and that means not ‘hiding it’ or ‘denying it’ - it is a tragic truth that is part of his story.

He also says that it was only possible to do because he was taught to dissociate an enemy as being a person - which again is tragic but a necessity of war. Therefore in stating that he killed 25 people, they are becoming what they were not in the moment - people.

^All of this sentiment is readily taken from the paragraph that was read.
 
Nitefly said:
The sentiment behind revealing the bodycount is that it is important to take personal ownership for what he did and that means not ‘hiding it’ or ‘denying it’ - it is a tragic truth that is part of his story.

He also says that it was only possible to do because he was taught to dissociate an enemy as being a person - which again is tragic but a necessity of war. Therefore in stating that he killed 25 people, they are becoming what they were not in the moment - people.

^All of this sentiment is readily taken from the paragraph that was read.
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I fail to see how telling anyone exactly how many people you’ve killed helps in taking personal ownership mostly because the exact number doesn’t matter with regards to taking ownership. It’s one thing to admit that to have killed vs denying it. But it doesn’t matter if it was 5 people or 25 people.

Unless he is looking for 25 families to talk to about what happened the exact number doesn’t matter.

With your second paragraph, it is once again the same thing. The exact number doesn’t matter. You say they became people but that isn’t true they are simply numbers, a statistic. More so since the nature of being an apache pilot means you’ve never even seen these people with your own two eyes
 
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Chuk_Chuk said:
I fail to see how telling anyone exactly how many people you’ve killed helps in taking personal ownership mostly because the exact number doesn’t matter with regards to taking ownership. It’s one thing to admit that to have killed vs denying it. But it doesn’t matter if it was 5 people or 25 people.

Unless he is looking for 25 families to talk to about what happened the exact number doesn’t matter.

With your second paragraph, it is once again the same thing. The exact number doesn’t matter. You say they became people but that isn’t true they are simply numbers, a statistic. More so since the nature of being an apache pilot means you’ve never even seen these people with your own two eyes
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Pilots put their kills on their aircraft, well they certainly used to. Sniper kills are known. He isn't bragging which is what the press have been pushing as a narrative.

Personally I wouldn't have said it, its just a massive minefield and left him open to attack. Though in for a penny, in for a pound I guess.
 
It's also left the media who fawned over it years ago similarly in a pickle as it is so clearly, transparently not a matter of integrity but of the press doing their actual job of protecting the state/class structure from rebels.

I hope they all go out of business Lehman Brothers style so we can see them walking out of their office crying.
 
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Chuk_Chuk said:
I fail to see how telling anyone exactly how many people you’ve killed helps in taking personal ownership mostly because the exact number doesn’t matter with regards to taking ownership. It’s one thing to admit that to have killed vs denying it. But it doesn’t matter if it was 5 people or 25 people.

Unless he is looking for 25 families to talk to about what happened the exact number doesn’t matter.

With your second paragraph, it is once again the same thing. The exact number doesn’t matter. You say they became people but that isn’t true they are simply numbers, a statistic. More so since the nature of being an apache pilot means you’ve never even seen these people with your own two eyes
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It’s taking responsibility because it’s recounting and sharing (an ugly) truth. He said 25 people rather than 5 people because he killed 25 people and not 5 people.

As for your final paragraph, I’m admittedly confused on your position: does the exact number matter, or not? If they are just a statistic, then why does it bother you so?

I don’t think the specific number matters, but I can understand why a person may want to share this aspect of the truth - I imagine it is quite therapeutic.

There is also a huge absence of detail as to when and where such persons were killed. Nobody is any wiser as to who Harry actually killed, from his words. Was it one incident, or more? The same anonymous 25 persons could have died by the actions of 5 different people, all of whom are soldiers acting for the same army. The anonymous deaths don’t suddenly become more offensive because they can be attributed to one specific soldiers (who very well could have been swapped out for any other similarly trained soldier). Again, the point being: I don’t see why the number matters in the slightest in respect of the comments ‘being purportedly offensive’. I do however respect the sharing of ugly personal truths.
 
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Chuk_Chuk said:
Unless he is looking for 25 families to talk to about what happened the exact number doesn’t matter.

With your second paragraph, it is once again the same thing. The exact number doesn’t matter. You say they became people but that isn’t true they are simply numbers, a statistic. More so since the nature of being an apache pilot means you’ve never even seen these people with your own two eyes
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His suicide explanation seems a bit obviously retrospective after he's got criticism over it, though I wouldn't be surprised if the real reason was that he was simply prompted to include the actual number by a ghostwriter/publisher as they knew details like that would get publicity.
 
I read his book and I really came to understand things from his perspective. It’s pretty hard to be born into a family that has so much money, power and influence. I count my blessings I was born into a family with none of that.
 
Iron Man said:
I read his book and I really came to understand things from his perspective. It’s pretty hard to be born into a family that has so much money, power and influence. I count my blessings I was born into a family with none of that.
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There is a lot more than just money, power and influence, it is essentially being born into a cult - where often they've come to their own beliefs, their own understandings of how the world works, things work a specific way, etc. and there isn't room for individuals who don't just go along with it - worse individuals who by not going along with it questions the very foundations of those beliefs, traditions and so on - something the majority won't want to do, the true believers can't countenance and those whose power are enabled by it can't allow.
 
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Rroff said:
There is a lot more than just money, power and influence, it is essentially being born into a cult - where often they've come to their own beliefs, their own understandings of how the world works, things work a specific way, etc. and there isn't room for individuals who don't just go along with it - worse individuals who by not going along with it questions the very foundations of those beliefs, traditions and so on - something the majority won't want to do, the true believers can't countenance and those whose power are enabled by it can't allow.
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I'm thinking your choice of the word cult could be swapped out for family business and have greater accuracy.
 
Hotwired said:
I'm thinking your choice of the word cult could be swapped out for family business and have greater accuracy.
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My whole post needs a lot of reworking/expanding to really do what I'm trying to describe justice but something like the Royal Family becomes more like a cult over time, some family businesses can become similar.
 
Iron Man said:
I read his book and I really came to understand things from his perspective. It’s pretty hard to be born into a family that has so much money, power and influence. I count my blessings I was born into a family with none of that.
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Yeah, it would be terrible... the hard life of a multi-millionaire living in a palace with servants, almost everyone treating him with deference, bowing and referring to him as "your Royal Highness" or sir.

Of course, he could have renounced the titles, stayed out of the limelight etc. as a mere multi-millionaire and that could have involved staying in the UK, doubt that would have been satisfactory for Meghan tho...
 
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