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Haswell -E Core i7-5960X, 5930K, 5820K specifications

Boomstick777 said:
Huh what? Your original hostile comment wasn't even directed at me. I'm just saying you come across rude to a lot of people on here. There's no need mate. Just tone it down.

Oh and I will enjoy my Haswell -E chip when I get it. Thanks for your concern mate.
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If it wasn't aimed at you stay out of it. Don't see any one gallantly getting up to defend me in this thread and I've been accused of all sorts.

Ironically here I was making a case for a £1000 8 core CPU too.

Boomstick777 said:
Yeah I tried everything, the solution in the end was to remove the second card (: Works great now. I'm really sensitive to micro stutter I think, not just crossfire but SLI as well. I won't mess with dual cards again.
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Well that's an odd one.
 
Xplo said:
Stop being so naive :rolleyes:. Facts being its been done time and time before by both cpu manufacturers and gpu manufacturers, and that its great business sense for intel at the moment (but crap for us consumers hence me making such comment) during amd's competitive absence in this part of the market.

Yes there will be a certain element of defective cpu's of course, and they will get binned accordingly, but with the seemingly large demand for 5820k just from this thread alone, do you really think miracously hundreds and hundreds of thousands of 5820k's will conveniently have manufacture defects allowing perfectly only 1x16, 1x8 and 1x4 pci-e lanes? No. They will be lasering pci-e or whatever process used a large number of '5930k' chips to make the 5820k's. They would never keep up with demand otherwise. Intel modifying chips would greatly outweigh manufacture defects, affecting 'just' the pci-e lanes. Remember: the only difference between 5930k and 5820k are pci-e lanes, they both have 6 cores still.

Other than that you make one good point in your post, in that intel is propping up the market for their 5930k.

As i say, great for intel, not for us consumers. Haters gonna hate moaners gonna moan etc. we need to have a voice for whatever little its worth. I and i suppose many others wouldnt mind so much if we had our pants pulled down sometimes in situations like these with lack of competition, IF it wasnt the case all we have and are getting are incremental increases, larger prices and early superseding of products / overly frequent new sockets and platforms.
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Dave2150 is correct, its the binning process that sifts the CPU's. At the top level its cores, voltage and power. For Haswell-E all the parts start as Xeon and filter from there. The intentional lasering or bricking of parts doesn’t happen at modern processes as the yield is simply not high enough. The exception being is when there are too many parts for a particular bin or when the quality of certain blocks in a design don’t meet the spec i.e. not stable enough at a given clock and voltage for example. In this case the block is permanently disabled.
 
So now we're onto moaning about Intel selling lasered off parts?

The fact is a 12 core die with the 4 weakest (and possibly faulty) cores disabled will always be cheaper (and probably more overclockable) for the consumer than a cherry picked 8 core die which has to firstly be without physical flaws and secondly overclock well.

Lasering off 16 PCI-E lanes will make hardly difference in performance even for SLI users and will again make Intel hex that much more affordable. If Intel didn't laser off the lanes there'd be no reason to buy 5930K so what would Intel do? scrap 5930K and raise the 5820K price to the same as 5930K in all likelihood, so what's wrong with having the choice of a cheaper/cut down 5820K?

Only when AMD have a proper 6-8 core chip with performance that surpasses your average quad core will Intel have to think about lowering prices, until then they can dictate because their 6-8 core products are unrivalled, that's just the way the market is at the moment.
 
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kleox64 said:
Dave2150 is correct, its the binning process that sifts the CPU's. At the top level its cores, voltage and power. For Haswell-E all the parts start as Xeon and filter from there. The intentional lasering or bricking of parts doesn’t happen at modern processes as the yield is simply not high enough. The exception being is when there are too many parts for a particular bin or when the quality of certain blocks in a design don’t meet the spec i.e. not stable enough at a given clock and voltage for example. In this case the block is permanently disabled.
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Phenom II for example
 
mmj_uk said:
So now we're onto moaning about Intel selling lasered off parts?

The fact is a 12 core die with the 4 weakest (and possibly faulty) cores disabled will always be cheaper (and probably more overclockable) for the consumer than a cherry picked 8 core die which has to firstly be without physical flaws and secondly overclock well.

Lasering off 16 PCI-E lanes will make hardly difference in performance even for SLI users and will again make Intel hex that much more affordable. If Intel didn't laser off the lanes there'd be no reason to buy 5930K so what would Intel do? scrap 5930K and raise the 5820K price to the same as 5930K in all likelihood, so what's wrong with having the choice of a cheaper/cut down 5820K?

Only when AMD have a proper 6-8 core chip with performance that surpasses your average quad core will Intel have to think about lowering prices, until then they can dictate because their 6-8 core products are unrivalled, that's just the way the market is at the moment.
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People need to understand, if a module is faulty i.e. a PCI-E controller for example then yes they are permanently disabled. There will be very few working 8 core dies per wafer, at 22nm yield is poor compared to previous processes i.e. 45nm 65nm etc...
 
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Well seeing how the 8 core 5960x seems to be starting off as a 12 core with the weakest/defective 4 cores cut off, it has a "binned" start. We don't know how the other 2 are unless someone desolders them. Also, that's a gem of a chip there- 8 cores stable at 4.5 GHz at 1.3V!
 
vsg28 said:
Well seeing how the 8 core 5960x seems to be starting off as a 12 core with the weakest/defective 4 cores cut off, it has a "binned" start. We don't know how the other 2 are unless someone desolders them. Also, that's a gem of a chip there- 8 cores stable at 4.5 GHz at 1.3V!
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No way of knowing if that CPU is a 'gem' - they could all clock that well for all we know. Maybe the 'gems' will do 5Ghz :)
 
I will likely be getting one on immediate release so can let you know in case the US gets everything sooner than UK for some reason.
 
faceman123 said:
how much will 5820k + ram and mobo be?
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Personally I am anticipating (and budgeting myself) about £300-£350 for the CPU, £175-£200 for a mobo and £150 for 16GB RAM (I know ram is more expensive than this ATM but as it has been pointed out in the DDR4 preorder thread that it is likely to be cheaper on launch)
 
DazQ87 said:
Personally I am anticipating (and budgeting myself) about £300-£350 for the CPU, £175-£200 for a mobo and £150 for 16GB RAM (I know ram is more expensive than this ATM but as it has been pointed out in the DDR4 preorder thread that it is likely to be cheaper on launch)
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Thanks, yeah thats my budget. bang on. Ideally processor is 300 bang on
 
DazQ87 said:
Personally I am anticipating (and budgeting myself) about £300-£350 for the CPU, £175-£200 for a mobo and £150 for 16GB RAM (I know ram is more expensive than this ATM but as it has been pointed out in the DDR4 preorder thread that it is likely to be cheaper on launch)
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From the look of it the 5820k will likely cost what the 4930k costs now (so around £420). The 5930k is looking like it will cost £600 or so and the 5960x £1000.

I could be wrong but Intel have never charged less than £430 for any 6 core CPU so I can't see them starting now.

*notes.

1.3v lock eh? hmm...

Terribly unstable, doesn't surprise me at all.
 
We can only wait and see, I was basing my numbers on the 5820k being priced a little higher than the 4820k and on the basis that the 5850k has been up for pre-order in the states for $426 which works out to be £256, add on some VAT bringing it up to £307.

I can't see the 5820 being much more than £330, and if it is I simply wont buy one.
 
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